Two questions:

Can these patches be used by people using Sibelius 7?

Also, can someone explain how to do the 'second violin' trick of transposing a second violin in Solo Strings up a semitone and then lowering the part to concert pitch to avoid phasing when playing unison phrases with the first violin? I'm working with Sibelius 7, VIPro 2 and the Solo Strings. I don't have a keyboard, so instructions I've previously read such as 'use the mod-wheel to lower to concert pitch' doesn't mean anything. How I do this in VIPro 2? Presumably I use Sibelius to transpose the entire part up a semitone and something in VIPro 2 to bring it back down - but for an entire matrix. Can anyone clarify this? Thanks.

Actually just wanted to add a real thanks to the Vienna team for 'auto humanize' and for the names of cells in VIPro 2.

Hi Oceanview 

Don't know for Sibelius.

But, these patches are usable as it. No transposition technique (modwheel, etc.) tu use at all.

If I understand Herb's answer, they builded them from standard Violon (and other strings) patches. 

CB

Thanks C.B. Yes I understand that the new patches have already been prepared by transposing for second violin but if they do not work with Sibelius presets then I have to know about the other method. And I want to know about the other method so I can apply it to my playback configurations.

Oceanview, that is how it works.  After the piece is completed:

1: Transpose the 2nd violin part up (or down) a half step in Sibelius (I use Finale, so can't precisely say the exact command).

2: Do a MIDI continuous events command for the modwheel of the 2nd violins, to bring the part back to correct concert pitch.  The default maximum modwheel adjustment in the older VI Pro is one whole step.  That can easily be changed to a half step if desired.

Noldar12, thanks for your comment. But how do I 'do a MIDI continuous events command' in VIPro 2? And that applies to an entire matrix or preset?

Oceanview - just use the normal sibelius preset for violin and then copy the new violin 2 patches into the relevant cells 

I guess you can then save the preset as violin 2 so you don't have to do it each time!

Steve 

Hi Herb,

thanks for the Violin 2 material. That's fantastic! [Y]

best,

Steve[:D]

Oceanview, the continuous command for the mod wheel is done in the score part itself, not in VI Pro.  VI Pro is simply set up to receive the command (the default for the mod wheel in VI Pro is a whole step).  Thus, in your score, in the 2nd violin part, setting the mod wheel to +8191 (the max adjustment up IIRC), will raise the pitch of the part a whole step when played back (again, if the default in VI Pro is left at a whole step, i.e. 200 cents), bringing the pitch of the transposed part back up to correct concert pitch (example: score in E major, transposed 2 violin part moved down to D major, with mod wheel adjustment sounding in E major, using samples a whole step lower than the first violins).

If you end up getting VI Pro 2, using the 2 violin parts in VI Pro 2 would be the far simpler way to go, as all the needed adjustments would automatically be done for you behind the scene as it were, without the need of any manual adjustments on your part.

Noldar, thanks for your reply. I hope you are not going to think me obtuse, but in Sibelius there is no way I am aware to adjust modwheel - in fact, in terms of Sibelius I'm not sure the term has any meaning at all. You said, 'setting the mod wheel to +8191 (the max adjustment up IIRC)' - how would I do that inside Sibelius? It isn't a sequencer like Logic or Cubase. The 'score' is not piano-roll style but only conventional music notation. I have no idea what that would mean in Sibelius. And what is IIRC?

Steve, thanks for that suggestion. I thought that might not work because of soundsets, but I see now if the articulations replace the usual ones they should get triggered anyway. I'll try it.

But even so I 'd like to understand what Noldar is suggesting.

Oceanview, unfortunately, I cannot talk Sibelius specifically, as I use Finale (and actually primarily an old version: 2005).  I would think that something similar would be available in Sibelius to the following: in Finale, there is a separate icon for MIDI control/commands.  One of the commands allows you to set data for continuous controllers - in this case selecting the mod wheel.  By clicking on the part you wish to edit, a MIDI display for the mod wheel for the particular part in the score that you selected is opened.  One can highlight an area where the mod wheel control data is to start (best done in a rest prior to the start of the score), and then set the continuous controller data accordingly.  Since the data is continuous, setting it for that one brief moment is all that is needed.

Note that in general doing MIDI edits in a notation program is very cumbersome, and MIDI edits are generally best done in a sequencer.  This sort of mod wheel command would be an exception.

Thanks Noldar. I guess I can ask at the Sibelius forum also.

I've had a look at the violin 2 cells - looks like VSL chose 14 without and 14 with mutes - presumably the articulations they thought would be most likely used. I'd like to second the earlier request that we might have these (or larger) for the Special Edition and SE Plus.

Have now had a chance to carry out Steve's suggestion of dragging V2 cells onto the old ones in a copied instance of Solo Violin and Chamber Violins. However, I did it with the respective presets which were created for Sibelius users. What I discovered is that about a third of the new V2 patches never had V1 equivalents in these presets, so I can't load all of them. I hope this is something Vienna can look into - as would be the chance to load the full presets.

The other thing that struck me while doing this is the duplication (and more) of the same cells in the matrices. Why do they need multiple instances of pizzicato or tremolo? I can't remember why this is - and why therefore there isn't room for a greater number of articulations in the Sibelius presets.

Hello Oceanview!

As far as I can see all Violin 2 patches have their Violin equivalents mapped in the VI presets for the Sibelius sound set "VE Strings". The only patch that is not included is trem_fA, but of course the normal trem patch is included and you could add the trem_fA patch to one of the free custom cells. Are you working with the VE Strings sound set?

Best regards,
Andi

Hello Andi, thanks for contributing. Actually, no, I'm not working with the Vienna Strings soundset; I'm still using Solo Strings I+II soundset and the Sibelius presets Vienna made for the Solo Strings. Does this explain the mis-match I saw?

Another point with the same set-up - I can't seem to auto-humanize those presets using VIPro 2. I can do it for the Chamber strings and the SE+ Orchestral strings. Any idea why this is? I select the solo Violin matrix and click 'auto-humanize' and nothing happens, whereas in other instruments you can see that a humanize graph has loaded.

Hi Oceanview!

Yes, this explains the mismatch. I recommend getting the "VE Strings" sound set for the next new project you are starting.

Auto-Humanize Cells works perfectly well here for the Solo violin. I'm not sure, where that problem comes from.

Best,
Andi

Thanks Andi. I've just come across a reference on another thread here to VIPro 2's 'auto-divisi'. What does that refer to?

Hello Oceanview!

Auto Voicing is a function of VI Pro. It is described in detail in the VI Pro manual on page 37.
http://www.vsl.co.at/en/68/428/1908/1548.htm

Best,
Andi

Hi,

Also a good idea to check out the Auto Voicing Video Tutorial and the Dimension Brass Video (Dimension Brass benefits BIG TIME from this feature).

Best,

Paul

Okay. I've tried inserting ~B0,xx pitch bend commands into my Sibelius score to get a violin II effect (having transposed the line in Sibelius). The commands work with General MIDI sounds and Sibelius Sounds 7 but they do not work if I have VSL Solo Strings loaded as a playback configuration. The Sibelius forum people have referred me back here.

Can anyone explain how to fix this?

What settngs should I make in VIPro II to get a tone or semitone to automatically pitchbend down when the Solo Strings plays back the Sibelius score?

Hi Oceanview!

On the Advanced/Controller Map tab you can assign a controller to pitch (normally the pitch wheel). On the Advanced/Options tab you can set the range of the pitch bend range.

Anyway, if you use the Violin 2 patches, you have other samples for your second violin anyway and don't need those pitch bending tricks. As stevetrumpet suggested, you could use your violin 1 presets and replace the violin 1 patches with the according violin 2 patches.

Best,
Andi