Using the Hybrid reverb inside MIR

[Stephen W. Beatty]

Is the hybid reverb designed to use inside MIR as a insert. For example, If you choose the venue Schubersaal 7-row, you can insert a hybrid reverb as part of the DSP chain for each voice. This really increases the CPU load and if used for 6 or more voices it causes my PC to crash.

It seems stange to have to modify each voice separately , but I don't see a way to modify all the voices with one instance of the hybrid reverb.

I must be misssing something?

Regards,

Stephen W. Beatty

[GoranTch]

Hi Stephen,

you are right, there are no send busses in MIR (that is, what you would like to do is not possible). Send busses could be one of the features of MIR Pro, although I am not sure of this (Dietz will know best ;-)

Apart from that, I don't quite understand what do you need Hybrid Reverb inside of MIR for? The point of MIR is to give you a complete spatial definition without having to use any additional reverbs inside of it. You can then use Hybrid Reverb for some additional spatial/sound definition on your recorded MIR output.

[Dietz]

@Stephen W. Beatty said:

Is the hybid reverb designed to use inside MIR as a insert. [...]

No, actually not. Like most other reverbs too, Hybrid Reverb is used best in an AUX-send.

In a MIR-based setup, I would use the Algorithmic part of Hybrid Reverb for "sweetening" purposes only, feeding it with MIR's main output.

MIR Pro will allow for AUX sends for individual instruments, BTW.

HTH,

[Stephen W. Beatty]

Thanks for the input. However, adding the hybrid in the insert section of an instrument does change the timbre of the instrument sometimes in interesting ways. This will almost double your cpu usage and you will get the silent dead computer symdrome if you over do it.

The MIR Pro must incorporate the ensemble and suite in ways that will facilitate most of these issues.

Regards,

Stephen W. Beatty 

[Dietz]

For changing the timbre of individual instruments and/or ensembles I would rather use the Convolution Reverb (for example with Ernest Cholakis' brilliant "Timbral Impulses" -> http://www.vsl.co.at/en/211/497/1686/311/181.htm and http://www.vsl.co.at/en/211/497/1686/312/242.htm). This will put much less strain on the CPU than Hybrid Reverb.

For MIR Pro we are working on a straight-forward way to use the algorithmic reverb part of Hybrid Reverb, but the basic idea is more about global "sweetening", not individual timbral changes.

HTH,

[Stephen W. Beatty]

Yes  that is a solution too, once I located the forti files that go with the convolution reverb. I am trying to get my head around this. On the one hand there is the ensemble which is a digitized mixing board with sends etc. MIR  is an icon based algorithm which actually models players in a room. How are you going to merge these two approaches?

Regards,

Stephen W. Beatty  

[mboc]

From what I understand, and Dietz correct me if I'm wrong, MIR Pro will run "on top" of Ensemble Pro. It will combine the mixing concept (including inserts, buses, sends, etc,) employ LAN, and the rest, but allow you to create and mix within space. In other words, it's like combining the live room, hall, stage, etc. with the control room. You will be able to "mix" the performance, i.e., the ensemble and the environment, as an integrated whole. Best not to think of MIR Pro (or MIR) as a reverb, then, bc it is not. Having control over the environment is much more. Add algo verbs for sweetening, sound design, etc., but it shouldn't hold the same pride of place if MIR serves as the spatial foundation. You can add a nice lush algo to a great sounding hall but you wouldn't want to overstep and lose the hall (scoring stage, cathedral, etc.) for it. (You can, of course, but MIR wouldn't be necessary to that particular project.) I'd imagine the algo part of Hybrid Reverb will be employed in MIR Pro for this exact purpose. If you have a Bricasti or the like, even better. One's a great reverb and one is MIR Pro. I'd imagine this combo will sound amazing if done well. Of course, the convo will be redundant (and inferior) when using MIR (Pro), unless you are using it for tonal purposes (such as FORTI and SERTI). This, at least, is what I've gathered from the MIR Pro rumor mill. Any corrections or new info is most welcome :) Best, Mike

[Dietz]

Hi Mike,

@Another User said:

 I'd imagine the algo part of Hybrid Reverb will be employed in MIR Pro for this exact purpose. If you have a Bricasti or the like, even better. 

 

Yes and no. If you prefer (and have access to) the Bricasti, then of course you should use it.  - The idea was to give those users access to some nice, modulating algorithmic reverb tail that either don't own another professional solution for that, or who prefer to keep the mix as tidy and accessible as possible, e.g. for recalls in a tightly schedulled production environment.

 One's a great reverb and one is MIR Pro. I'd imagine this combo will sound amazing if done well. Of course, the convo will be redundant (and inferior) when using MIR (Pro), unless you are using it for tonal purposes (such as FORTI and SERTI). This, at least, is what I've gathered from the MIR Pro rumor mill. Any corrections or new info is most welcome 😊 Best, Mike

You're obviously listening to the proper rumours. ;-D

Kind regards,

[Stephen W. Beatty]

Now I am impressed! This is going to be some fantastic software.

Stephen