Lubo,

About Double bass...

VSL doublebass normally go down to B0...

In N3 presets the B0 is not playing !
I suppose that is because N3 use the B0 as Keyswitch in H-Span to trigger 12A,B,C  ?

If yes,

it is sad do not having that precious Double bass B0 sound !

Around the world for years now all double bass player are tuning their instrument on B, E, A, D, G...

Sincerely N3

Alain LeBlond

Hello Alain!

You are right. Our doublebasses go down to B0 and the keyswitches for the Notion presets go up to B0. This way the B0 samples are not playable. The only way to play the B0 samples I see at the moment, is editing the doublebass preset, so that the matrix is only 11 cells wide. This way you have to go without two articulations. The combined sustain/legato patch and the sul ponticello-tremolo patch.

Best,
Andi

@Migot said:

Lubo,

About Double bass...

VSL doublebass normally go down to B0...

In N3 presets the B0 is not playing !
I suppose that is because N3 use the B0 as Keyswitch in H-Span to trigger 12A,B,C  ?

If yes,

it is sad do not having that precious Double bass B0 sound !

Around the world for years now all double bass player are tuning their instrument on B, E, A, D, G...

Sincerely N3

Alain LeBlond

Yes, this is indeed the case. For now you can use the workaround that Andi is suggesting below, but rest assured we'll find a way to fix it in future versions so that the note will play back for you.

Thanks

Lubo Astinov

Hi Anthony,

If your score is completed, and you wont do any more work on it, you could always use the VSL optimize function, to reduce teh RAM load and thus shorten loading times.If you are still working on the score though, I'm afraid there isn't much I can suggest. Loading a lot of instruments will have to load a large portion of samplesinto RAM and thus it will take some time.

What I would do is probably use custom Vienna Ensemble PRO presets and retain the instance. That way I could load it once for that day/session and not have to worry about it. It does take a bit more work, but we do have an excellent tutorial on how to setup a custom VE PRO on the notion site.

Hope that helps!

Lubo Astinov

Andi, Lubo,

Thanks very much for help and your kind words...

Sincerely N3 & VSL

Alain

Hi!

I've been owning VSL SE for a couple of years but only now that I've discovered NOTION I'm really really starting to enjoy the many articulation and the quality of the library. Finnally I can really use my samples without using the annoying key switching and the scores look very good too.

Just one question to the NOTION people: when I start a new legato phrase with the solo strings the first note is usually quite harsh. I've tried with the soft attack articulation but then I get the opposite result of a "too soft" a note. Is there a way to introduce the phrase "delicately"?

Best,

Cesare

Nice,

Cesare.magri

I have the same impression...

In fact the first note of a Legato phrase is played on a Sustain patch...?

( my feeling is that somes software as Dp6 and Finale look ahead to change the patch before the phrase start ...not sure!)

I did try the same with Soft Start articulation but did not get sucses...

So,

I would like to ear form Lubo about That !

Alain LeBlond

Hi! Thanks a lot guys for the replies.

I've tried to set the velocity of the first to the minimum (1) but I still get the strong attack.

Cheers,

Cesare

 Cesare,

Do have you put the ppp under the notes ???

May be this can affect the strong attack ...

Hi! Yep under the note for which I've tried to change the velocity there is a pp mark.

Do you think that's why I cannot change the velocity by hand?

Cesare

@cesare.magri said:

Hi!

I've been owning VSL SE for a couple of years but only now that I've discovered NOTION I'm really really starting to enjoy the many articulation and the quality of the library. Finnally I can really use my samples without using the annoying key switching and the scores look very good too.

Just one question to the NOTION people: when I start a new legato phrase with the solo strings the first note is usually quite harsh. I've tried with the soft attack articulation but then I get the opposite result of a "too soft" a note. Is there a way to introduce the phrase "delicately"?

Best,

Cesare

Hi Cesare,

Sure there are several things yo can try, let me first explain the logic here:

The first note of a slur is a regular sustain note for contextual reasons. If its not, and there is a note before the note with a slur, your first note under the slur will be "slurred" into. The effect is not natural, so you would either have to start the slur on the second note of the slurred group or you would have to use sequencer overlay to shorten the note before. Neither of which is a great solution, so the first note is using a sustain patch (as in real life the first note under the slur is actually attacked)

Now here's what you can do to get the "softer" start.

1. Your instinct of using the soft-start articulation is right-on. However if its too soft a start, you can simply go to the second cell in the matrix for that instrument, edit the cell and bring the atk slider down some.

2. Alternatively, you may have noticed that the sustain patches are actually attacked too. This is so that they can "speak" faster in all situations. However, if you would prefer to get just the sustain with the slower start simply go to the first cell in the matrix and remove the detache patch in the second cell. This will give you a slower start on the sustain, which may end up being just enough for the slurs to work as you wish. I have the feeling this will be enough for what you want to achieve.

3. You can of course assign a lower dynamic on the first note, but if you manually edit the velocity, then you need to turn Velocity X-fade off for that instrument, otherwise you wont hear the velocity changed. This is because all presets use Velocity X-Fade to give you the most natural sounding crescendos/dims and the velocity is effectively surrendered to CC11. I would advise you to try the first two suggestions first, before deciding to manually fiddle with the velocity.

I hope those will help, let me know how it works out...

Lubo Astinov

Lubo,

Thanks very much for this nice explanation...

Its giving a look on how your team tailor made VSL library for N3 and SLE.

Sincerely N3

Alain LeBlond

Thanks la lot!

I'll try what you suggested and post the results.

I never had as much fun making my music as since I got Notion.

Cesare

Hi Lubo!

I would like to know about what possibilities are there when using Notion with programs like Max/msp. I know there is rewire possibilities, one can also use iac bus to send information. But for instance, would it be possible to control features like live tempo through it? For instance, in logic one has the the environment window, where in places like click n ports one can assign ways to control tempo, fader, mixer function, map midi informations, etc.

It would be really cool if that would be possible with notion (specially the live features and mixer)

Also, is it possible to import sound sets that I have created for my libraries to use with sibelius? and like in sibelius, is there any way one can edit the dictionary?

Thanks so mush

Nuno

HI Lubo

I have a Macpro 8 core 3 Ghz 16 GB  with a full orchestra loaded into memory with all the articulation available, I have SE plus + Appassionata + a few downloaded instruments

I use ONE instance of VE pro 64 bit standalone with 84 instrument loaded 

Today I use Logic with IAC to send my notes and my articulation changes to VE pro 64 bit

If I have in Notion an IAC'ed track will it send articulations changes to my VE pro standalone ?

How many IAC track can you have in Notion ?

Another point :

Today I route back the 24 audio track from my VE pro standalone to Logic (I use 3 OUT/IN ADAT)

In Logic I apply  correction on the tracks and a  5.1 reverb

Can I do the same with Notion ?

Thanks in advance for your answer

Best

Cyril

Hi Cyril

"If I have in Notion an IAC'ed track will it send articulations changes to my VE pro standalone ?

How many IAC track can you have in Notion ?"

Yes, you need to configure NOTION SLE's MIDI ports to send to IAC busses, but the articulation keyswitches will be sent with the outgoing MIDI. This also means you need to use the same .fxp's that come with NOTION in the application receiving the midi to trigger those articulations.

"Today I route back the 24 audio track from my VE pro standalone to Logic (I use 3 OUT/IN ADAT)

In Logic I apply  correction on the tracks and a  5.1 reverb

Can I do the same with Notion ?"

If you want to do that in NOTION I would advice to launch the VE PRO as a VST inside NOTION instead of using it standalone. You can then access all of its stereo pairs by assigning Aux tracks from the NOTION Mixer (by clicking the '+' next to the VST button and choosing pairs from the VE PRO instance)Then you can use insert effects either on VE PRO channels or in the NOTION mixer.

Hope this helps

Lubo Astinov

Hi Lubo

Thanks for your answer,

> "If I have in Notion an IAC'ed track will it send articulations changes to my VE pro standalone ?

How many IAC track can you have in Notion ?

How may "input tracks"  can you have in Notion ?

>"Today I route back the 24 audio track from my VE pro standalone to Logic (I use 3 OUT/IN ADAT)

>In Logic I apply  correction on the tracks and a  5.1 reverb

> Can I do the same with Notion ?"

>If you want to do that in NOTION I would advice to launch the VE PRO as a VST inside NOTION instead of using it standalone. You can >then access all of its stereo pairs by assigning Aux tracks from the NOTION Mixer (by clicking the '+' next to the VST button and choosing >pairs from the VE PRO instance)Then you can use insert effects either on VE PRO channels or in the NOTION mixer.

Correct me if I am wrong

If I do what you suggest  I have to wait 30 minutes to load a song containing my full orchestral template !!

The advantage of using a standalone VE pro is :

- you load it once a day

- If you buy more articulations you do not have to modify each songs

- Songs are very small and takes just a few seconds to load

- you have the 84 tracks of all your orchestra in one window (I have 4 x 24 " monitors where I spread my music desktop)

- you can move it to another more powerful computer using network midi or split it across computers without changing the songs

Do you have "transform" like in Logic where you can say :

If note length is <= xxx set it as staccato

If interval between note is <= yyy set it as legato

 .........

Best 

Cyril

Hi! Do the changes to the matrix that I'm doing affect the matrix for all documents (also in the future)?
Thanks,

Cesare