i am using a nehalem macpro with windows 7, it works

But for me the question wasn't if it would work or not, it was more, will I benefit the max from it. And from what I had read, it seems you don't, and for more massive projects and orchestration I didn't want to have that hurdle.

Thanks Dietz!  I love you guys! [:)] I love how uncompromising VSL is!  I love how you guys decide to do something, and it just doesn't matter if anyone else has every attempted it or thought of it, you guys are going find a way to make it happen.  I love that.  Thank God you guys are out there to combat against the cinematic product drive ("monkey at a keyboard mentality") of some other sample libraries.  I believe in the VSL mission, to make the most realistic sounding sampled orchestra.  I believe VSL has the most talented team possible for that goal.  That's why I'm with you guys for the long hall (pun intended [:)]).  MIR is definitely 100% true to the spirit of VSL, its uncompromising and groundbreaking.  MIR is absolutely the most advanced reverb/mixing software ever built period.  I have no doubt it will be the new standard to which all other convolution reverbs will have to reckon with at some point.  Throw in VE PRO on top of all this, and it just adds that much more to the reason why you guys are my go to company for sampled orchestra products.

However, as revolutionary as MIR is, the first two video demos were....to be honest....disappointing.  It's just the sound wasn't as revolutionary as I knew the product itself was.  If only Jay's demo had been the first demo then I probably wouldn't have my current mental block against MIR, and feel the need for direct comparisons with Altiverb all the time. Jay's demo really proves the realistic room quality of MIR.  The room sounds practically real, Altiverb can't touch that.  However, I can't quite put my finger on it, but there is something more realistically satisfying with the timbre of the instruments in Jay's Rite of Spring with Altiverb compared to the E.T. MIR demo.  I would like to try MIR myself to test this, but then I'd have to buy Windows Vista to do so, not to mention buy a whole new $1600 computer to run the same size orchestra as my current setup.  So then to buy MIR is another roughly $1000.  So in my mind MIR needs to sound $2600 better than Altiverb for me to break out the bucks at this moment.  In fact, its probably worse than that, because I'd feel better thinking MIR is $3600 better than Altiverb, and that I'm getting it for a deal by only paying $2600.

I see MIR like Frankenstein.  You guys created the monster, but I'm willing to bet that you're still learning things about your Frankenstein.  Even though you are the current experts, I think you guys are going to be better experts on MIR in a couple of years than you are right now.  In the future, when every one else is just starting to get on the multiple-impulse response train, you guys are going to be so far ahead of them.  So in a couple of years when it comes to doing a major upgrade and I'm looking at Altiverb 7 or MIR, I'll probably go with MIR.  I'm not quite ready to buy right now, but you never know if you keep putting out demos like Jay's....I might change my mind. [;)] Still, no matter what I'm with you guys for the long haul, and I can't wait to hear future updates and demos! [:)]  I love you guys! [:P]

-Brian

P.S. You're right Dietz, there isn't always a right and wrong tempo in music...it is an art after all, but would someone please listen to track 17 (about 4:25 in) on the E.T. original soundtrack recording and tell me they like the slower tempo better.....honestly.....you like slower tempo....really???? [;)]

Hi Dietz,

Can you have a look at the MIr files for this. They won't open for me and I would love to see how Guy set up MIR.

Thanks

 Hi!

This problem is already fixed - new files will be available soon!

Florian

Great Stuff! My respect to Jay!

@Dietz said:

BTW - regarding the tempo of the "Adventures": As far as I know Jay referred to a version conducted by Williams himself, so it might be a matter of taste. But you could take the MIDI-tutorials and do the piece in a tempo of your liking, though. 😉

Listen to some of J.W.'s filmscores and compare to concert versions conducted by himself: He often tends to be faster in the concert versions by a lot (lack of tempo awareness? - I don't think so 😊 ).

E.T is a special one: He couldn't match the cue points for some larger scenes so Spielberg let him conduct musically and matched the final cut to the music afterwards - what a great director for a film musician! All that information can be found in some interviews on YouTube, in case you are interested ...

Fritz.

@Another User said:

awesome! which library are the horns from?

@aptmusic said:

awesome! which library are the horns from?

Brass II

http://vsl.co.at/en/211/442/412/358/225.htm 

best

Herb

Herb/Jay,

Herb mentioned briefly a little of the workflow for this piece... Can Jay elaborate on the workflow, Computer specs etc?

How many instruments at once for example....

Richard

Thanks Herb, Dietz, Florian and everyone at VSL for making such a revolutionary new way to mix samples.

For the strings I mostly used Appassionata strings mixed to varying degrees with solo strings. Occasionally, I also used the Orchestral strings to add some "blur" to fast runs or to fill in articulations that are missing from Appassionata strings.

The ensemble horns were Epic horns layered with the Triple horn. The solo horn was the Triple horn.

The trumpets were (again in varying amounts) solo trumpet in Bb, solo trumpet in C, fanfare trumpets and trumpet ensemble (x3).

One of my favorite MIR features is the character preset.   Each VSL instrument now has around six very useful and different sound-shaping EQ-like presets from "Airy" to "Biting" to "Distant" to "Powerful." These are very helpful for an EQ-phobic person like myself.  The Austin Powers movies have Mini-Me, the MIR software comes with your very own virtual mixing engineer -- Mini-Dietz!

Best wishes,

Jay

Jay,

Thanks for taking the time to give some details about the piece. You are truly an asset to this community.

Richard

@JBacal said:

One of my favorite MIR features is the character preset.   Each VSL instrument now has around six very useful and different sound-shaping EQ-like presets from "Airy" to "Biting" to "Distant" to "Powerful." These are very helpful for an EQ-phobic person like myself.  The Austin Powers movies have Mini-Me, the MIR software comes with your very own virtual mixing engineer -- Mini-Dietz!

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If you have MIR do you still benefit from Vienna Suite or do these presets in MIR that Jay describe "replace" them?

-Richard

Well I'm sold! :) I cant aford it now but i want it.

Great work all.

@rixtrepictures_162 said:

If you have MIR do you still benefit from Vienna Suite or do these presets in MIR that Jay describe "replace" them?

-Richard

Technically, they don't interfere with each other at all. The Vienna Suite consists of VST plugins which Vienna MIR will happily host.

Soundwise it might be adviseable to  to decide to either use MIR "Character Presets"for a quick change of an Instrument's timbre _or_ to insert Vienna Suite EQ for more detailed processing, though - but nothing will hinder you from using both. MIR's "Character Presets" and Vienna Suite's EQ-Presets are not the same, I created completely new settings for MIR - for more or less each and every instrument VSL offers.

HTH,

Thanks Dietz, Appreciate your time.

mir doesn't really sound any better or difrent than altiverb  

great job though as alays, jay.  you're the best

If you'd like I can remix in altiverb to compare/contrast.  

Honestly I thought there was a bit too much stereo seperation and not enough sense of varying distances. woodwinds seem too far, percussion in some cases too close (particularly piatti and other high metalic perc)

very subjective of course.