194,235 users have contributed to 42,914 threads and 257,940 posts.
In the past 24 hours, we have 2 new thread(s), 16 new post(s) and 92 new user(s).
Is MIR only expected to work with an i7 CPU or 'work best with an i7'. I have a supermicro superserver with XP64 and 2 Dual core Xeon CPUs with 16 Gigs of RAM (expandable to 32). I am correct in thinking this may not work with MIR?
Many thanks
Leif Sundstrup
Thanks for your interest, Leif!
I wouldn't say that Vienna MIR "won't work" with the (pretty powerful) setup you describe. It's just that our tests have shown that the i7-generation of CPU's is the best choice right now, as these processors "talk" to RAM much faster than other designs - something that's crucial for the engine which the MIR-concept is based on.
In other words: Most likely, you will be able to use Vienna MIR on your system, but you will encounter the limits of raw computing power much sooner than with an i7-based setup.
HTH,
So, if the next year I will replace my old laptop with one using an Intel i7, will it work better than my Mac Pro?
Are there differences in required power between the downloadable MIR and the DVD MIR?
Sergino
Are there differences in required power between the downloadable MIR and the DVD MIR?
This is a question I can't answer now, because the DVD-version of Vienna MIR isn't ready yet for real-world testing (... otherwise we would release it during the next few weeks, too! 😊 ...)
HTH,
I meant to say: will an I7 laptop run better than my Mac Pro using Vista (not OSX)?
Sergino
Hi Dietz
@Dietz said:
I can't give you serious estimations on how good an i7-based Mac will behave once Vienna MIR is ready for OSX (... or should I say OSX is ready for MIR ...? 8-] ...).
Can you explain this ?
Thanks
Cyril
Hi Dietz
Thanks for your answer.
You are waiting for Snow Leopard to release MIR and VI/VE 64 bit on Mac [:)]
Best
Cyril
sorry to say that, but the i7 is unbeatable ... and it is not only the processor, we need the fast memory bus too.
of course you might get *somewhere* with AMDs, XEON 5000, core2quads but i can't tell you currently _how_ far.
AFAIS those phenom boards hold 8 GB DDR2 - certainly not enough.
christian
Martin,
I'm confused.... If Leopard currently supports 64 bit application, then why isn't VI & VE for OS X 64 bit capable? Also what are userland apps?
Hi Dietz,
Will I need to purchase an i7 based computer to run MIR or will it work fine on my MacPro 8-core with 16GB? Also if so, will I be able to run MIR on the same machine as my sequencer (Logic 8 & Cubase 5) or will I need to make one a slave? I'm trying to plan for the future in hardware requirements but do not want to over purchase if it is not necessary. I would prefer to run everything on a single machine if possible but need to understand my options. Appreciate your input......
MIR will be available for windows vista and windows 7 in a first run (both have to be 64bit because of the amount of memory needed to be accessed), OS X might follow later.
so you could run windows via bootcamp on your MacPro and within windows MIR, but be aware the *old* intel 5000 XEONS have slow memory bus speed (at least compared to i7 processors)
if an audio host and MIR run simultaneously on the same machine will depend mainly on your soundcard drivers.
to step in regarding userland question: you probably know that GUI is not 64bit on leopard and VI/VE runs in memory space for user's applications - this makes it a little bit complicated to access more than 4 GB memory with an application needing a user interface. however a solution is under development.
christian
Leopard does support 64-bit applications completely. The reason for VI/VE not being 64-bit yet (well, not released...), is that we have several other dependencies besides the OS itself. As should be relatively well known by now, Apple pulled alot of developers legs when they announced that the Carbon framework (gui parts) would not support 64-bit, having people move to Cocoa completely for future mac gui development.
A userland application would be anything you normally refer to as an "application", that runs outside the kernel.
Thanks for the clarification Martin. Am I correct is saying that if VE & VI were developed using Cocoa for the gui development that both VE & VI would be full blown 64 bit apps able to access all the memory that is available on the Intel 64 bit Mac? The reason I am asking is that the the VSL web page states that 64 bit would be available "soon" and has stated that ever since the first release of Ensemble. That's been over a year. I wasn't sure if the VSL development team was waiting for Snow Leopard to be released or if VI and VE could be released as pure 64-bit apps now in the Leopard environment. My personal biggest frustration with VSL is I'm just not being able to utilize the 16GB I have on board and don't really want to have to load Windows in order to do so. Processor and sound card driver restraints just aren't present. Are you guys close to releasing a 64 bit version of VI & VE?
Hi Christian,
From your response, it sound like running MIR on my existing MacPro which has the intel Xeon Processor using Bootcamp may not be a wise choice if I also plan on sequencing off the same machine. Am I understanding you correctly to say that my MacPro would run MIR (full orchestra) via Bootcamp/Windows providing I use another computer to sequence with? To say it differently, how many instruments would I be able to run in MIR using my existing MacPro and a different computer to sequence with? Would I be able to sequence the entire orchestra or would I require multiple slaves?
I don't know if I have the Intel 5000 series. My computer stats show that I have a 2 x 3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon. Are we talking the same thing?
Hi Christian,
From your response, it sound like running MIR on my existing MacPro which has the intel Xeon Processor using Bootcamp may not be a wise choice if I also plan on sequencing off the same machine. Am I understanding you correctly to say that my MacPro would run MIR (full orchestra) via Bootcamp/Windows providing I use another computer to sequence with? To say it differently, how many instruments would I be able to run in MIR using my existing MacPro and a different computer to sequence with? Would I be able to sequence the entire orchestra or would I require multiple slaves?
I don't know if I have the Intel 5000 series. My computer stats show that I have a 2 x 3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon. Are we talking the same thing?
Chuck, I think that the biggest problem is that we all have different ideas of what a full orchestra is. For example, my template has around 120 Instruments, of which 60-70 will play in the larger tutti sections.
MIR is not designed to run on multiple slaves, so the computer that runs MIR has to be able to run the full template, whether the sequencer is on the same machine, or not.
Regarding your Mac, if you bought it during the last couple of months, then it uses the newer dual i7. if it was last year, it doesn't.
DG
