Leopard does support 64-bit applications completely. The reason for VI/VE not being 64-bit yet (well, not released...), is that we have several other dependencies besides the OS itself. As should be relatively well known by now, Apple pulled alot of developers legs when they announced that the Carbon framework (gui parts) would not support 64-bit, having people move to Cocoa completely for future mac gui development.

A userland application would be anything you normally refer to as an "application", that runs outside the kernel.

Thanks for the clarification Martin. Am I correct is saying that if VE & VI were developed using Cocoa for the gui development that both VE & VI would be full blown 64 bit apps able to access all the memory that is available on the Intel 64 bit Mac?  The reason I am asking is that the the VSL web page states that 64 bit would be available "soon" and has stated that ever since the first release of Ensemble.  That's been over a year.  I wasn't sure if the VSL development team was waiting for Snow Leopard to be released or if VI and VE could be released as pure 64-bit apps now in the Leopard environment.  My personal biggest frustration with VSL is I'm just not being able to utilize the 16GB I have on board and don't really want to have to load Windows in order to do so.  Processor and sound card driver restraints just aren't present.  Are you guys close to releasing a 64 bit version of VI & VE?

Hi Christian,

From your response, it sound like running MIR on my existing MacPro which has the intel Xeon Processor using Bootcamp may not be a wise choice if I also plan on sequencing off the same machine.  Am I understanding you correctly to say that my MacPro would run MIR (full orchestra) via Bootcamp/Windows providing I use another computer to sequence with?  To say it differently, how many instruments would I be able to run in MIR using my existing MacPro and a different computer to sequence with?  Would I be able to sequence the entire orchestra or would I require multiple slaves? 

I don't know if I have the Intel 5000 series.  My computer stats show that I have a 2 x 3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon.  Are we talking the same thing?

@Chuck Green said:

Hi Christian,

From your response, it sound like running MIR on my existing MacPro which has the intel Xeon Processor using Bootcamp may not be a wise choice if I also plan on sequencing off the same machine.  Am I understanding you correctly to say that my MacPro would run MIR (full orchestra) via Bootcamp/Windows providing I use another computer to sequence with?  To say it differently, how many instruments would I be able to run in MIR using my existing MacPro and a different computer to sequence with?  Would I be able to sequence the entire orchestra or would I require multiple slaves? 

I don't know if I have the Intel 5000 series.  My computer stats show that I have a 2 x 3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon.  Are we talking the same thing?

Thanks DG...

Yes I have an older MacPro.   I knew I was vague when I said full orchestra but you understood what I was getting at.  The reason for my question (full orchestra) was that the video demo of VE showed two instances of VE on the slave and one on the main computer running a full orchestral arrangement.  I'm assuming due to the increase power of the i7 that the same arrangement used in the video would ALL run on a single slave within MIR.

@Chuck Green said:

Am I correct is saying that if VE & VI were developed using Cocoa for the gui development that both VE & VI would be full blown 64 bit apps able to access all the memory that is available on the Intel 64 bit Mac?  The reason I am asking is that the the VSL web page states that 64 bit would be available "soon" and has stated that ever since the first release of Ensemble.  That's been over a year.  I wasn't sure if the VSL development team was waiting for Snow Leopard to be released or if VI and VE could be released as pure 64-bit apps now in the Leopard environment.  My personal biggest frustration with VSL is I'm just not being able to utilize the 16GB I have on board and don't really want to have to load Windows in order to do so.  Processor and sound card driver restraints just aren't present. Are you guys close to releasing a 64 bit version of VI & VE?

As I mentioned in my previous post, we have other dependencies beyond the OS itself, which have caused the delay in 64-bit for mac. There are however no constraints imposed on us by Leopard - it is 64-bit capable all the way.

Unfortunately, I cannot give you any date when the 64-bit mac versions (VI,VE,VEP,VS,VIP) are ready for release, but I can tell so much that they are at least running fine on my machine 😊

@Chuck Green said:

Hi Christian,

From your response, it sound like running MIR on my existing MacPro which has the intel Xeon Processor using Bootcamp may not be a wise choice if I also plan on sequencing off the same machine.  Am I understanding you correctly to say that my MacPro would run MIR (full orchestra) via Bootcamp/Windows providing I use another computer to sequence with?  To say it differently, how many instruments would I be able to run in MIR using my existing MacPro and a different computer to sequence with?  Would I be able to sequence the entire orchestra or would I require multiple slaves? 

I don't know if I have the Intel 5000 series.  My computer stats show that I have a 2 x 3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon.  Are we talking the same thing?

I have been waiting for MIR quite a long time, but this has really put me off. I still can't figure out how I can run a terribly HUGE orchestral template like the ones I like to work with, included with at least 3 to 5 fx inserted on each track, and at the same time run MIR(another monster). Right now, I have two workstations exclusively for Vienna instruments. Between them, a 16GB orchestral template runs smoothly, including fx processing, as already mentioned(all through VE3). 7 altiverbs run on another machine. I was hoping that MIR could have a workstation for its own, and perhaps stream all the required data through lan, just like VE3. Well, I still haven't given up on MIR premium though.(Since it will be able to host 3rd party plugins, and other audio signals, well, who knows). fingers crossed

Thanks for the reply Martin.  I guess at this point I can only hope that the release is soon (like days/weeks).  My 3-year warranty will run out on my machine before I'm able to utilize it to it's full potential using VI (which is why I bought the machine to begin with).....

@hose said:

I have been waiting for MIR quite a long time, but this has really put me off. I still can't figure out how I can run a terribly HUGE orchestral template like the ones I like to work with, included with at least 3 to 5 fx inserted on each track, and at the same time run MIR(another monster). Right now, I have two workstations exclusively for Vienna instruments. Between them, a 16GB orchestral template runs smoothly, including fx processing, as already mentioned(all through VE3). 7 altiverbs run on another machine. I was hoping that MIR could have a workstation for its own, and perhaps stream all the required data through lan, just like VE3. Well, I still haven't given up on MIR premium though.(Since it will be able to host 3rd party plugins, and other audio signals, well, who knows). fingers crossed

@hose said:

I have been waiting for MIR quite a long time, but this has really put me off. I still can't figure out how I can run a terribly HUGE orchestral template like the ones I like to work with, included with at least 3 to 5 fx inserted on each track, and at the same time run MIR(another monster). Right now, I have two workstations exclusively for Vienna instruments. Between them, a 16GB orchestral template runs smoothly, including fx processing, as already mentioned(all through VE3). 7 altiverbs run on another machine. I was hoping that MIR could have a workstation for its own, and perhaps stream all the required data through lan, just like VE3. Well, I still haven't given up on MIR premium though.(Since it will be able to host 3rd party plugins, and other audio signals, well, who knows). fingers crossed

Hi DG. Actually, I don't have Altiverb on each channel. I run 7 Altiverbs on another machine rather than the VSL machines. On the VSL machines, I use Vienna Suite on each INSTRUMENT. Usually its EQ, compression, sometimes exciter, and of course the panner. If for instance I am playing double stops, I will have a double on the same instrument, grouped into a bus, and I will run the fx on the bus ofcourse. The VSL machine's CPU is very comfortable. I think it never reaches 20%, but I am using a LOT of ram between the two VSL machines. And MIR is hungry for both RAM and CPU. Therefore, if I purchase an i7 with 12 GB ram, load a mir hall, that instantly eats up around 8GB of ram, and who know regarding CPU power, whats left for massive template?

Martin,

Using the 64-Bit VE and VI on the MacPro Intel platform, are you able to load instrument in such that you are using or able to use ALL the memory available on your system and not limited to the 2.5GB as is currently with VE?

Yes.

Hi Chuck. How are you doing?

Paul posted a few weeks ago informing us that we wouldn't be constrained by the memory limitations, even when using VE Pro with OSX.4.

Colin

@MS said:

Yes.

Too slow on the typing!

@ct1961 said:

Paul posted a few weeks ago informing us that we wouldn't be constrained by the memory limitations, even when using VE Pro with OSX.4.

Well, you will need at least Leopard (10.5).

Hi Martin

I did ask at the time whether we would have to upgrade to 10.5 and was told "no".

Colin

Sorry Martin

I posted re snow leopard, not leopard hence the (my) confusion.

Colin

Sounds GREAT - Can't WAIT!!!

I must of missed the post Colin.  Glad to hear we're moving forward in the process.   Been a long wait.....  Thanks for the update.

I like the latest offering on your site Chuck. Keep it up.

Colin