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    I'm also very interested in hearing demos and wondering if it's still definitely on schedule for spring 2009?  I know the March date was changed and am hoping that it won't be pushed further out.

    The bar needs to be raised for sampled pianos.  Hoping this Vienna Imperial takes it to a whole new level.
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    Will there be a download version with 40-50 velocities? [;)]
  • cmC
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     no - you wouldn't want to download ~25 GB ;-)

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @cm said:

     no - you wouldn't want to download ~25 GB 😉

    Why not? I wouldn't mind downloading any size if that's make it a bit cheaper. E.g. my Kabel Deutschland modem has 32MBit/s, that's about the speed with which my DVD drive can copy data. It would even save me the torture of DJ-ing all those DVDs!

    So, even if it's 250GB, a download version could be an option.
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     now i'm tempted to put such an amount of data online just to see if you are really finished in 107 minutes ;-)

    start polishing your cable and prepare a fire extinguisher for your line

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Are you offering me a preview for the Imperial? Go for it :D
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    @cm said:

     no - you wouldn't want to download ~25 GB 😉

    Why not? I wouldn't mind downloading any size if that's make it a bit cheaper. E.g. my Kabel Deutschland modem has 32MBit/s, that's about the speed with which my DVD drive can copy data. It would even save me the torture of DJ-ing all those DVDs!

    So, even if it's 250GB, a download version could be an option.

    Yeh, but as I'm sure you've found out the speed limitation is more often how quick the server can stream the data to you and if a thousand other purchasers were trying to download.....

    Julian
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    @julian said:

    the speed limitation is more often how quick the server can stream the data
     

    yeah, so if every user could gather real 30 Mbit we would need to restrict Vienna Imperial download purchases to 3 every 120 minutes to not affect the regular traffic 😉 ... that's ok ...

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @julian said:

    the speed limitation is more often how quick the server can stream the data
     

    yeah, so if every user could gather real 30 Mbit we would need to restrict Vienna Imperial download purchases to 3 every 120 minutes to not affect the regular traffic 😉 ... that's ok ...

    christian

    mmmn 13,000 plus a year not bad for the profit margins!! 

    Julian
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    It depends on how your broadband is charged. Some ISPs (e.g. in the UK) give you a limit of xx GB per month, after which you get charged extra or they limit your line speed. My account includes 20GB, after which I get charged £1 per GB, so 25GB would cost me £5 assuming I didn't do anything else on the internet that month. In reality, I tend to use pretty close to my allowance, so I'd really be looking at a cost of £25 to download!
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    Our developement team is just finalizing our upcoming Vienna Imperial.

    Everybody here in Vienna who had the chance to play with our new piano was extremly impressed.

    So I'd like to share a small live performed demo by Christian Kardeis.

    http://vsl.co.at/users/111/1st_demo_ViennaImperial.mp3

    Here you also have screenshots of our Vienna Imperial interface,

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    Wow, very exciting.  Is this demo with any additional reverb?  Also, which position is it (close, player or distant)?

    Any additional EQ used on this piece?
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    I think it's out of the box using internal reverb and EQs, and I think it's the close position.

    Maybe Christian chimes in and gives more detailed informations.

    best

    Herb
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    Now there's a piano sound!  [Y]

    So if this is feasible to market, how about one special string lib such as leg violins with 100 velocities? [8-|]
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    @Guy said:

    So if this is feasible to market, how about one special string lib such as leg violins with 100 velocities?

    The reason why the Vienna Imperial is possible is, iirc, that there exists a piano that can be actuated by a computer with very high precision, otherwise it would not be possible to record 100 distinguished layers. To do this with a violin, you have to find a way to achieve something similar. I never heard of a computer actuated violin...
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    Regarding the Demo: really nice dynamics :) Is there soft pedal involved?

    I have some questions now that the Imperial finalizes:

    • What latency can I expect with a decent Computer? What is the lowest latency you observed without clicks and pops? My soundcard can go as low as 48 samples @96kHz, and Ivory is able to handle it flawlessly. Can I expect likewise?
    • Will the damper pedal be continous, i.e. is there something like 'half pedal' or 'quarter pedal'?
    • And one more philosophical question: Is the MIDI-velocity really sufficient to define the sound? Is there really no way to control the tonal quality through the way this specific velocity is being achieved? Now that you have the technical possibilities to capture these nuances, it would be really interesting to bring this to digital pianos. Of course MIDI would not be able anymore to transport this and a new generation of keyboards would be necessary. I'm really interested what the future will bring :-)
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    @arne said:

     To do this with a violin, you have to find a way to achieve something similar.

    I'm sure that won't be long. [:)]
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    Excellent! I'm ready to order now....

    estimated ship date?
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    +1

    wow
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    @arne said:

     To do this with a violin, you have to find a way to achieve something similar.

    I'm sure that won't be long.

     

    I think that it won't be possible to do with a violin until sample modelling improves a great deal. The Garritan Strad was a good idea, but sounded dreadful.

    The other thing to remember is that in order to "play" such an instrument well you not only have to be a good performer, but you also need to understand a lot about why professional players sound the way they do. Even with our current sample libraries, there are far too many things that either can't be done, or take for ever and a day to make sound half bad. Unless people know how and why things are played the way they are in the real world, the best sampled or modelled instruments in the world will still sound lame in comparison with the real thing.

    DG