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  • cmC
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    cmC

     can't comment on mac versions (since i didn't have any on my dsk so far) - thinking about how it is done on windows i'd assume it will use its own memory space.

    memory - well, on the 4 GB PC ~ 3.2 GB have been left to the system, 1 GB was used by windows, and we have not been able to load all three mic positions into the remaining 2.2 GB - sorry, but i can't remember how much memory exactly one mic position needed.

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    In standalone mode the piano needs approximate 1.65 GB RAM.

    There are several options included to load lighter versions (for example loading without softpedal samples, or without release samples).

    And of course you have the option to minimize RAM usage using our Sample Optimize feature (same proceder like in all Vienna Instruments).

    best

    Herb
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    it would be of some interest for me if you (someone at vsl) did some testing on macs too before releasing, it´s a matter of can-i-buy-or-not (immediately, i definitely will eventually), and i´d love to (having waited for this for longer than you may imagine).

    it´s not that important to me (to whom?) to have all micings loaded at the same time, and if imperial really adresses its own memory, well, this would be just great for me. i could have my 4 gigs for old-school vsl, say 2 gigs for imperial, leaving 6 gigs for system, logic and exs (and the other software instrument-"company-who-must-not-be-named" - a**holes). fine for me.

    my credit card is shivering with anticipation - up to you now :)
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    thanks for answering, herb. our messages crossed.

    i assume memory requirements will not differ much whether using standalone- or plugin-mode?

    i appreciate the options to reduce memory requirements with the methods you mentioned above, but i would not dare to cut a shining diamond until it fits into my pocket :)

    1.7 gigs would not be such a pain as i was afraid of, but the issue of imperial adressing separate memory from vsl and logic or not still is of some importance to me. 

    besides, what about sound-demos?
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    I'm also very interested in hearing demos and wondering if it's still definitely on schedule for spring 2009?  I know the March date was changed and am hoping that it won't be pushed further out.

    The bar needs to be raised for sampled pianos.  Hoping this Vienna Imperial takes it to a whole new level.
  • E
    E

    Will there be a download version with 40-50 velocities? [;)]
  • cmC
    VSL Team
    cmC

     no - you wouldn't want to download ~25 GB ;-)

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @cm said:

     no - you wouldn't want to download ~25 GB 😉

    Why not? I wouldn't mind downloading any size if that's make it a bit cheaper. E.g. my Kabel Deutschland modem has 32MBit/s, that's about the speed with which my DVD drive can copy data. It would even save me the torture of DJ-ing all those DVDs!

    So, even if it's 250GB, a download version could be an option.
  • cmC
    VSL Team
    cmC

     now i'm tempted to put such an amount of data online just to see if you are really finished in 107 minutes ;-)

    start polishing your cable and prepare a fire extinguisher for your line

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Are you offering me a preview for the Imperial? Go for it :D
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    @cm said:

     no - you wouldn't want to download ~25 GB 😉

    Why not? I wouldn't mind downloading any size if that's make it a bit cheaper. E.g. my Kabel Deutschland modem has 32MBit/s, that's about the speed with which my DVD drive can copy data. It would even save me the torture of DJ-ing all those DVDs!

    So, even if it's 250GB, a download version could be an option.

    Yeh, but as I'm sure you've found out the speed limitation is more often how quick the server can stream the data to you and if a thousand other purchasers were trying to download.....

    Julian
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    @julian said:

    the speed limitation is more often how quick the server can stream the data
     

    yeah, so if every user could gather real 30 Mbit we would need to restrict Vienna Imperial download purchases to 3 every 120 minutes to not affect the regular traffic 😉 ... that's ok ...

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @julian said:

    the speed limitation is more often how quick the server can stream the data
     

    yeah, so if every user could gather real 30 Mbit we would need to restrict Vienna Imperial download purchases to 3 every 120 minutes to not affect the regular traffic 😉 ... that's ok ...

    christian

    mmmn 13,000 plus a year not bad for the profit margins!! 

    Julian
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    It depends on how your broadband is charged. Some ISPs (e.g. in the UK) give you a limit of xx GB per month, after which you get charged extra or they limit your line speed. My account includes 20GB, after which I get charged £1 per GB, so 25GB would cost me £5 assuming I didn't do anything else on the internet that month. In reality, I tend to use pretty close to my allowance, so I'd really be looking at a cost of £25 to download!
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    Our developement team is just finalizing our upcoming Vienna Imperial.

    Everybody here in Vienna who had the chance to play with our new piano was extremly impressed.

    So I'd like to share a small live performed demo by Christian Kardeis.

    http://vsl.co.at/users/111/1st_demo_ViennaImperial.mp3

    Here you also have screenshots of our Vienna Imperial interface,

  • F
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    Wow, very exciting.  Is this demo with any additional reverb?  Also, which position is it (close, player or distant)?

    Any additional EQ used on this piece?
  • H
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    I think it's out of the box using internal reverb and EQs, and I think it's the close position.

    Maybe Christian chimes in and gives more detailed informations.

    best

    Herb
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    Now there's a piano sound!  [Y]

    So if this is feasible to market, how about one special string lib such as leg violins with 100 velocities? [8-|]
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    @Guy said:

    So if this is feasible to market, how about one special string lib such as leg violins with 100 velocities?

    The reason why the Vienna Imperial is possible is, iirc, that there exists a piano that can be actuated by a computer with very high precision, otherwise it would not be possible to record 100 distinguished layers. To do this with a violin, you have to find a way to achieve something similar. I never heard of a computer actuated violin...
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    Regarding the Demo: really nice dynamics :) Is there soft pedal involved?

    I have some questions now that the Imperial finalizes:

    • What latency can I expect with a decent Computer? What is the lowest latency you observed without clicks and pops? My soundcard can go as low as 48 samples @96kHz, and Ivory is able to handle it flawlessly. Can I expect likewise?
    • Will the damper pedal be continous, i.e. is there something like 'half pedal' or 'quarter pedal'?
    • And one more philosophical question: Is the MIDI-velocity really sufficient to define the sound? Is there really no way to control the tonal quality through the way this specific velocity is being achieved? Now that you have the technical possibilities to capture these nuances, it would be really interesting to bring this to digital pianos. Of course MIDI would not be able anymore to transport this and a new generation of keyboards would be necessary. I'm really interested what the future will bring :-)