I think we're all waiting for more information. Video's, screenshots of mir... etc
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Well, there's the hardware from which it was sampled, which is specialised, but it isn't clear to me whether our existing Bosendorfer library was also sampled from that special hardware piano but simply at lower resolution (or resampled for lower resolution).
I guess we'll find out soon whether there is a trade-in or upgrade path. But it may be that this new library is a reaction to the competition from Quantum leap's piano library -- though I was more expecting them to add a Steinway, Bechstein, or Fazioli.
I'm quite happy with what we have, but use Pianoteq for most stuff. The existing Bosendorfer library works very well for me when a piano needs to cut through a large arrangement without dominating. I haven't yet tried it for solo piano though (my CPU isn't up to real-time).
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>>I'm quite happy with what we have, but use Pianoteq for most stuff. The existing Bosendorfer library works very well for me when a piano needs to cut through a large arrangement without dominating. I haven't yet tried it for solo piano though (my CPU isn't up to real-time).>>
Well, maybe I have a bit a strange view of a piano in an orchestra - but it is not seldomly a solo instrument there .... I did not try it, but 7 velocity layers, no string resonance etc. do not sound as it would cut it - and I heard those comments a lot. Also no sustenuto pedal for a grand - well, sorry ... I hope their new player is aware of sustenuto ...
best
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I was at NAMM and asked a few questions. Apparently, MIR will require an i7 processor to run(minimum requirements). I won't give the price estimations I was given since it was only an approximate number. But it's more than Altiverb. Considering what it does, I kind of expected that though. I don't want this to seem like I'm dogging the price. I'm not. Just reporting what I found. The piano does sound great. I got to play it for a bit. Very responsive. I can only imagine it will take a hefty machine to run, but who knows. It's a separate player though and will NOT integrate into the current player. That's the answer I got at least. One thing I was disappointed on though, and I hope the guy was just wrong, was the apparent reverb that is supposed to be coming with the Vienna Suite. I asked about it, and the guy I asked(don't remember who, but a VSL guy) said that there will be no reverb in the Suite. The sign AT THE SHOW even mentioned a reverb. I told him that the magazine ad also mentioned it. He said it was all a typo, even the sign, and that there isn't a reverb coming. So can anyone confirm or deny this? Maybe he misunderstood? There were reports in this forum that there are more plugins, including a reverb, coming. So I'm ASSUMING that he just didn't understand what I was asking.
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@MS said:
Steff,
I think the Vienna Imperial should satisfy your needs. We have 1200 samples per key, 100 velocity layers, soft pedal, sostenuto, repetition samples, lots of release samples, MIR technology convolution reverb and more. Everything built into a brand new optimized engine.
Martin
The VSL info page on Vienna Imperial mentions soft pedal and sustain pedal recordings but no mention of sostenuto (middle) pedal ?
Julian
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Thanks Martin,
But when I play for example a 3 note repeated sequence (under the influence of the sostenuto pedal) this has a different sound than when exactly the same 3 notes are played repeatedly with the sustain pedal. This you would expect as in the first instance although the 3 played strings are un-damped the remainder of the strings are damped so do not create the sympathetic vibrations you would get with the sustain pedal.
But I guess trying to re-create this would ever multiply the number of required samples.
Julian
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@julian said:
Thanks Martin,
But when I play for example a 3 note repeated sequence (under the influence of the sostenuto pedal) this has a different sound than when exactly the same 3 notes are played repeatedly with the sustain pedal. This you would expect as in the first instance although the 3 played strings are un-damped the remainder of the strings are damped so do not create the sympathetic vibrations you would get with the sustain pedal.
But I guess trying to re-create this would ever multiply the number of required samples.
Julian
the sostenuto pedal is like a third hand keeping pressed some keys for you, so the sound is the same as if you play that notes with your hand and keep it on the keys.
The sound doen't change if the key damper is up because of your hand or because of the sostenuto pedal.
That's why you don't need different samples.
Sergino
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@julian said:
Thanks Martin,
But when I play for example a 3 note repeated sequence (under the influence of the sostenuto pedal) this has a different sound than when exactly the same 3 notes are played repeatedly with the sustain pedal. This you would expect as in the first instance although the 3 played strings are un-damped the remainder of the strings are damped so do not create the sympathetic vibrations you would get with the sustain pedal.
But I guess trying to re-create this would ever multiply the number of required samples.
Julian
the sostenuto pedal is like a third hand keeping pressed some keys for you, so the sound is the same as if you play that notes with your hand and keep it on the keys.
The sound doen't change if the key damper is up because of your hand or because of the sostenuto pedal.
That's why you don't need different samples.
Sergino
In my example the sound is different because (if you open the lid of the piano you can see that physically it is different!) the repeated notes in my example a simple three note sequence C, E, G are struck the sostenuto pedal is then depressed, then the notes are struck again with the sostenuto pedal remaining depressed.
The sound is of three repeating notes with a sustained tone, however the dampers remain ON across all the other strings i.e. the remainder of the piano is damped. This creates a different sound than if the Sustain (damper) pedal is pressed because in that case, although the same notes are being played, ALL strings are undamped and create sympathetic resonances colouring the sound in a different way.
That's why I was stating the difference between sustain and sostenuto samples. anyone with a piano (with Sostenuto pedal) can try it themselves!
Julian
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I have a grandpiano with a sostenuto pedal
If I press C, E and G and than I press the sostenuto pedal and play them again,
the sound is perfectly the same as if I keep the 3 keys pressed with my hand and play them again using the double escapement
so that's why I think the sample would be the same
Sergino
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Well to try and prove my point try the following!
Play a middle C and hold the note, depress the sostenuto pedal, now play a few repeated forte C's. After a while now depress the sustain pedal at the same time whilst continuing to play. On my piano (Yamaha Grand) I hear a distinct difference as you would expect as the sustain pedal has a different function from the sostenuto i.e. it is universal.
Julian
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They are two "samples"
The first is the sample of a C1 with its own armonics = The same for key pressed or sostenuto pedal pressed= the same first sample
the second is a sample of C1 plus the resonance of its armonics (C2, G2, C3, E3, G3 and so on). Forte pedal pressed= the second sample
2 different samples are enough..
