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@julian said:
with the VSL dongle on a dedicated usb 2 bus (by the wat it's no quicker or slower on the shared bus).
well, I thought the usb-bus slows down to the speed of the slowest device on the bus. So, if you have an iLok dongle or the BlueTooth module on the bus with the Syncrosoft dongles this could slow things down.
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@DG said:
I took some time out to run some tests of the licence scanning times. To get the most reliable results I removed all USB peripherals.
Times as follows - all from a cold boot:
Vienna Key plugged into Sonnet PCI-X USB 2 card
VI stand alone 1:50
VE stand alone 1:50 (shows "licence scanning" for first 40" then disc scanning for the remainder)
VI AU plug-in in Logic 1:45
VE AU plug-in in Logic 1:45
Vienna Key plugged in to USB connector at front of MacPro
VI stand alone 2:05
VE stand alone 2:05 (shows "licence scanning" for first 40" then disc scanning for the remainder)
VI AU plug-in in Logic 2:00
VE AU plug-in in Logic 2:00
I suspect that the internal USB bus might be slower than the Sonnet card because the Mac keyboard is on the internal bus as is the Bluetooth network.
The figures were extremely consistant with the scanning times varying by no more than a second on multiple re-boots.
The software was the latest software for Synscosoft and VI + VE Logic version 8.0.2 Prior to testing the operating system was updated to OSX 10.5.6 from 10.5.5 and the latest Syncrosoft was downloaded strangely this most recent combination added 4" to the scanning times compared with some tests run directly before. Following the OS software update a permissions repair was done and the computer re-booted a few times and VI + VE run a few times to settle the system down.
Question for Daryl, do your VI + VE stand alone applications launch in the same time and could your Nuendo application have an autoload template that does some of the scanning so that when you launch a VSL plug-in it is quicker? I ask this as my licence scanning times were extremely consistent and only varied by 5 seconds between the stand alones and the plug-ins.
System Specification:
MacPro 8 Core 32 GB RAM SATA Raid 0 (2 disc) boot drive 30% full. Vienna Samples on e-SATA 4 disc Raid 0.
Installed licences as shown on LCC 37 (level 1 and 2 are shown as separate licences)
If I get time I'll post the increases in scanning time once I've loaded Solo Strings 2 and the Chistmas downloads.
Regards
Julian
@julian said:
Question for Daryl, do your VI + VE stand alone applications launch in the same time and could your Nuendo application have an autoload template that does some of the scanning so that when you launch a VSL plug-in it is quicker? I ask this as my licence scanning times were extremely consistent and only varied by 5 seconds between the stand alones and the plug-ins.
Regards
Julian
I don't have VI installed, because it is of no use to me.
I think that it loads quicker with the plug because Nuendo initialises the Syncrosoft driver as it loads. There is no autoload template though for Vienna Ensemble.
What I might do tomorrow is see how long the standalone takes to load when I've already loaded Nuendo.
DG
My Logic load from boot up including scanning the whole VSL EXS 24 library is between 12"-15" and Logic boot-up with VE as a plug-in is a total of 2':00. Be interested to know what your launch time for Nuendo is i.e. what's the quickest you can get a Vienna Sample Player into operation!
For me I'm good to go at 2 minutes via Logic and 1:50 with the standalone. This compares with less than 15" to get access to the complete VSL Pro and Performance editions (including launching Logic) via EXS 24.... such is progress!
Julian
well, I thought the usb-bus slows down to the speed of the slowest device on the bus.
@julian said:
My Logic load from boot up including scanning the whole VSL EXS 24 library is between 12"-15" and Logic boot-up with VE as a plug-in is a total of 2':00. Be interested to know what your launch time for Nuendo is i.e. what's the quickest you can get a Vienna Sample Player into operation!
Julian
1' 30" by double clicking a Project file. If I do it manually I can shave a couple of seconds, depending on how quickly I can click...!
Last point. If I start up Nuendo (no Vienna) and then launch a standalone, the scanning time is 1'07", exactly the same as for a plug. It seems that Nuendo can initialise the dongle much quicker than Vienna can.
FWIW my dongles are on an unpowered hub which is attached to my monitor, so I'm not sure that the positioning of the dongle is necessarily crucial. I also have 2 Syncrosoft dongles, if that makes any difference.
Julian, I'm very impressed with the thoroughness of all your testing, but I really can't be bothered to unplug stuff in order to try to save a few seconds on loading. If I need to re-load my template, it will take over 15 minutes, so the scanning time doesn't matter to me. However, depending on the development of VE, and whether or not I move to a two computer set-up, or not, this opinion may well change.
DG
@julian said:
My Logic load from boot up including scanning the whole VSL EXS 24 library is between 12"-15" and Logic boot-up with VE as a plug-in is a total of 2':00. Be interested to know what your launch time for Nuendo is i.e. what's the quickest you can get a Vienna Sample Player into operation!
Julian
1' 30" by double clicking a Project file. If I do it manually I can shave a couple of seconds, depending on how quickly I can click...!
Last point. If I start up Nuendo (no Vienna) and then launch a standalone, the scanning time is 1'07", exactly the same as for a plug. It seems that Nuendo can initialise the dongle much quicker than Vienna can.
FWIW my dongles are on an unpowered hub which is attached to my monitor, so I'm not sure that the positioning of the dongle is necessarily crucial. I also have 2 Syncrosoft dongles, if that makes any difference.
Julian, I'm very impressed with the thoroughness of all your testing, but I really can't be bothered to unplug stuff in order to try to save a few seconds on loading. If I need to re-load my template, it will take over 15 minutes, so the scanning time doesn't matter to me. However, depending on the development of VE, and whether or not I move to a two computer set-up, or not, this opinion may well change.
DG
The bit it don't follow, and perhaps VSL can shed some light on, is why launching Nuendo (without any VSL plug-ins) would speed up the licence scanning process by over 2 minutes!
With regard to removing stuff from the USB bus I can have every thing working at once (all USB peripherals) but if for example I plug my iLOK into the same bus as the Vienna Key the scanning time is increased by 20 seconds.
Nick mentioned that the Mac itself has a series of busses and certainly if I look at the system profiler loads are shown however aren't these things like usb hubs on attached keyboards and screens and internal bus connections like bluetooth? I think that the 2 usb ports on the back and the 2 ports on the fron of a MacPro may be all the same bus.
Julian
Nick mentioned that the Mac itself has a series of busses and certainly if I look at the system profiler loads are shown however aren't these things like usb hubs on attached keyboards and screens and internal bus connections like bluetooth? I think that the 2 usb ports on the back and the 2 ports on the fron of a MacPro may be all the same bus.
Julian
I think that front 2 ports on my PC are actually the same bus, but I never use those anyway.
DG
OK, Removing iLoks makes no difference to loading times of either the plug (in Nuendo) or standalone.
However, the Nuendo initialising thing is not correct. I'm wrong. Sorry.
My new world record for loading a project file with an empty VE instance is 1' 16". This is in Reaper, and with the 2nd Syncrosoft dongle removed. When I put the other dongle in (Nuendo licence) it takes an extra 4 seconds. This proves to me that Nuendo does nothing to help the loading time, and the reason it is not as quick when loading a Nuendo file, is that Nuendo takes longer to load than Reaper. It also doesn't explain why the Vienna standalone takes so long (for me) and not for OSX users, or why the plug loads much quicker than the standalone on my system.
DG
Hi Daryl, May be far too much of a bind but if you're bored after opening all you Christmas presents I'd be very interested to know if having the licences spread over 2 dongles is much quicker for scanning than one. By the way adding Solo Strings 2 + extended added only 1 second to the scans. Regards Julian@DG said:
OK, Removing iLoks makes no difference to loading times of either the plug (in Nuendo) or standalone.
However, the Nuendo initialising thing is not correct. I'm wrong. Sorry.
My new world record for loading a project file with an empty VE instance is 1' 16". This is in Reaper, and with the 2nd Syncrosoft dongle removed. When I put the other dongle in (Nuendo licence) it takes an extra 4 seconds. This proves to me that Nuendo does nothing to help the loading time, and the reason it is not as quick when loading a Nuendo file, is that Nuendo takes longer to load than Reaper. It also doesn't explain why the Vienna standalone takes so long (for me) and not for OSX users, or why the plug loads much quicker than the standalone on my system.
DG
@julian said:
Hi Daryl, May be far too much of a bind but if you're bored after opening all you Christmas presents I'd be very interested to know if having the licences spread over 2 dongles is much quicker for scanning than one. By the way adding Solo Strings 2 + extended added only 1 second to the scans. Regards Julian
now I'm puzzled, why is scanning the content required at all? The paths are already specified in Directory Manager, so why is this extra step needed?@DG said:
It's not scanning the licences that takes the time, it's scanning the content.
I've no idea. Don't shoot the messenger. [:'(]
DG@DG said:
It's not scanning the licences that takes the time, it's scanning the content. If you launch VE with the same dongle on a computer that has no Collections, then scanning takes around 2-3 seconds.
DG
I've found on my system that scanning the licences takes 40" and scanning the content 1"05. So with no content attached VI standalone launches in 40". So Daryl, it appears somehow that your licence scan is almost instant is this something to do with Nuendo?. Be good to know how long does it takes for you to launch VE standalone without content and without Nuendo launched. Thanks Julian
@julian said:
I've found on my system that scanning the licences takes 40" and scanning the content 1"05. So with no content attached VI standalone launches in 40". So Daryl, it appears somehow that your licence scan is almost instant is this something to do with Nuendo?. Be good to know how long does it takes for you to launch VE standalone without content and without Nuendo launched. Thanks Julian
Standalone with no content takes 14"
Plug in Reaper takes just under 3 seconds.
DG
So what I've gleaned, with the help of Daryl, is that the Syncrosoft licence scanning can be as short as 3 seconds on a PC - I can't get it below 40" on my Mac, and that it is the content scanning (which appears to be similar between Mac and PC) that is taking up almost all the total launch time on PC and about 60% of the total launch time on Mac.
Interpreting these figures (always dangerous!) might indicate there is huge scope to improve the Syncrosoft scanning time for Mac users (down to Syncrosoft?) and also substantial time to be saved in directory scanning (content) for both PC and Mac users (down to VSL?)
When I purchase my first VSL product for the Logic EXP sampler (the Pro edition) I remember it came with a free version of EXS manager from Redmatica. Perhaps it was provided as the VSL libary was so huge at the time compared with what had gone before.This was excellent for Logic users as it dropped the launch time of Logic from over 3 minutes to a few seconds by re-organising the EXS library (which VSL was a part of once installed). Perhaps Andrea Gozzi (Redmatica) could work some magic here!!
Julian
@julian said:
So what I've gleaned, with the help of Daryl, is that the Syncrosoft licence scanning can be as short as 3 seconds on a PC - I can't get it below 40" on my Mac, and that it is the content scanning (which appears to be similar between Mac and PC) that is taking up almost all the total launch time on PC and about 60% of the total launch time on Mac.
I think that one of the reasons that my content scanning takes so long is that I have the samples spread over 5 hard drives. How many are you using, just so that I can do a proper comparison.
However, it doesn't explain the huge disparity it time between standalone and plug.
DG
