Nice idea - it would continue a trend VSL started with French Oboe, when they began to release small groups of related instruments. Buyers would probably have to accept minimal packaging though, otherwise the manufacturing costs on so many different DVDs would be high. But given the general need for companies to cut down on their packaging, wouldn't that be a good thing? It's the samples we really care about, not the boxes.
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Hi Conquer. Honestly that thought came across my mind aswell. But, then I remembered that these new libraries have discounts according to the SE version one owns. Infact if one had to purchase any instrument that is not included in any of the SE libraries, he/she won't benefit from any discounts. I really do hope that VSL will provide users like me with further 'traditional' upgrades in the future, because the new libraries contain some very interesting articulations(except from the ones that are already included in the SE or SEplus of course). It would be great if I could benefit for a discount when purchasing the farfalle trumpets for instance, because I see that, as an incentive to include further instruments in my collections. Why in the world would I need a discount for something I already own(or perhaps 80% of it). I have to say that the choice of newly included articulations is pretty good. I'm mean, having pfp and some other dynamics, flutter, fast legato, portato performances, and some stuff like would be a really cool addition to SE and SEplus. But anyway, we don't get to decided. It's either take it or leave it. Or perhaps get a new library. Hell, I already did that thought when I bought VSL, after using EWQL Symphonic Orchestra for several years.
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Buyers would probably have to accept minimal packaging though, otherwise the manufacturing costs on so many different DVDs would be high.
Isn't that the case anyways with VI DVD products? compared to the Horizon line products the packaging is quite reduced - no instrument manual, no jewel case (in my Saxophone VI the CD slide ins were even broken - did not really leave the impression that I bought a product that was priced as it actually was) - but therefore I have quite some VI manuals now ..... 😊
But yes, I think it would be great if VSL reconnected to the Horizon series idea ..... 😊
best
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Hi both - thanks for explaining your thinking hose, I agree it would be nice to have a complete choice over what instruments and articulations one buys (though I can see how complicated that would be for VSL) and obviously no-one wants to buy the same samples twice. As I said, I don't think VSL viewed the download instruments as upgrades to the SE versions, but I'm only guessing . . . maybe someone from the company will express a view on that at some point. Either way, I'm sure they will continue to offer the sort of discounts they've done in the past.
compared to the Horizon line products the packaging is quite reduced - no instrument manual, no jewel case
That's OK I think. I'm starting to have a problem with the huge, garishly coloured glossy boxes some companies put their libraries in - you open them up and there's one sheet of paper and two DVD's rattling about inside. Very wasteful. From a strictly environmental point of view I guess downloads are the way to go - no plastic (apart from your credit card) and it would in theory be the easiest way to offer buyers more choice.
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Enviromentally sound AND affordable for the musician who can't afford them all in one go - perfect!
I got very excited when I saw this.
I'd much rather buy one instrument at a time, or choose a specific instrument - I don't want the extra trombone, cornet and euphonium but I want the fanfare trumpets - exactly the special brass I want!
I'd be glad to see more single-instrument-at-a-time releases. Keep up the good work!
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It's so true. Infact I'm really interested in purchasing several new instruments, like the cornet and fanfare trumpets for instance. Therefore I really wish to continue upgrading my SE and SE plus in a more elegant way, sort of. I mean, First I bought SE then I upgraded all the instrument's articulations when I purchased SE plus. SE plus was simply the perfect add-on to SE.
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That's great Herb, thanks. But here is a suggestion, it would be even better if we could purchase all the articulations for an individual instrument. I would rather pay more and get all the articulations rather than get a lib that is only partly complete. Also, in the long run it would be much less confusing than trying to upgrade with double articulations, missing articulation, various packages etc.
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Tons of thanks for these awesome single inst downloads. I think the full-articulation issue is different for everyone. Personally, i focus on strings and had absolutely no hesitation in deciding to buy the full Orch & Chambers Strings (std + ext) However for me, i dont mind the fact that i dont have the entire articulations available for the viennese oboe or alto flutes i just bought, because i will most likely just use them very backgroundishly.
But that is specific for my situation. Whatever VSL decides to do, im happy to get my hands (ears) on such great sounds...
And speaking of strings, are any going to be offered as single instrument downloads? Are you still working on it, or are the current 47 available instruments all we are going to get as far as Single Inst D/Ls?
> michael
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Personally, I think that the downloads are a great idea, if for no reason other than the average instrument price is wha i'd spend a week on smoking, and this way i can save the money and reward myself with a new instrument every week or two!!
Are both these things true:
1) They are whole tone samples (which is fine with me)
2) Each instrument contains all the same articulations as the standard dvd version, not just most of them...
Thanks,
Rob.
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@Emperor said:
The most useful solution is to sell the entire single instrument as DVD, this will break up the price and enable customers on budget to gradually build their orchestra. The company will benefit also since the number of customers will increase. Example: Solo Violin Standard 85 Euro, Extended 115 Euro.
I like this idea best of all actually. Reason: Because so far I can't see any dynamics included in many of the downloads.
Complete single instrument downloads or better still on DVD (perhaps?) is a good idea.
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I am excited about the downloads as well. Congrats to VSL! But here's a simple truth: I am delaying buying SE Plus, waiting for the string download articulations and release date. I imagine lots of people are doing the same, so I'd be very happy to know the downloadable strings info, even if they aren't ready yet...
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At the moment we have no concrete plans and schedules for strings single download instruments.
First we look how the wind downloads will work and make any plans regarding strings later this year.
Generally most users need string ensembles with all sections.
So the SE and SE PLUS string download products are for most users useful as downloadable string products.
best
Herb
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@herb said:
At the moment we have no concrete plans and schedules for strings single download instruments.
First we look how the wind downloads will work and make any plans regarding strings later this year.
Generally most users need string ensembles with all sections.
So the SE and SE PLUS string download products are for most users useful as downloadable string products.
best
Herb
oooh, darn it! Ok, thanks for the response. I understand what you are saying, cuz how many people would only want to buy violas? As an SE owner, my strategy was to buy the new single instrument downloadable violins, viola, and cellos, and maybe save some money by not buying basses. I was also hoping to maybe get a few extra articulations (beyond what's in SE Plus) like fast legato.
Ok, what i really want is to be able to download individual articulations. Doing that would probably drive VSL crazy due to the complexity involved, so ok, I'm not gonna complain!
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Mmm, i was thinking that in addition to buying the SE Strings PLUS (i'm gonna do it later this year) i'd love to have the chamber violins (for divisi) as a download instrument. I hope this can happen in the future, because i don't wanna buy the SE Extended just because of the Chamber Violins.
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I think there would be demand for string downloads. I'd get a Chamber strings download, I don't want to get both Strings PLUS standard and extended just because of the Chambers as I'm not currently interested in the solo or orchestral strings. I'd also get Appassionata download if it included legato and preferably also the spiccato performance repetitions. I don't want to get the whole Appassionata Standard DVD just for those either. Breaking the strings into separate downloads for violins, violas, cellos and basses might result in more impulse buys if the price of the whole section gets much higher than the prices of the downloadable winds. Muted strings should be separate downloads.@herb said:
Generally most users need string ensembles with all sections.So the SE and SE PLUS string download products are for most users useful as downloadable string products.
