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    Hi,

    um, in my experience, college is full of this lowest common denominator crap. Best learning it yourself. 

    Sorry,

    Rob. 
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    Helllllooooo Audun - you old Viking! How are you doing?----- Look for the educational departments you are looking for through the interweb - it's difficult to make a judgement on educational establishments these days.
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    ...the Norges musikkhøgskole in Oslo (norwegian academy of music).
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    HEY PAUL! How's your back? :D I need to hear more music from you.did you have a web page?

    golafs,I think the reqirements for the composition line in NMH is to play mozart pieces on your instrument,I don't get it...It has nothing to do with MAKING music. I have to call them again.
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    I went to Berklee College of Music, and I have to offer a different perspective on what Rob says about education in general. Sure you *can* learn on your own, in fact you do learn on your own even if you go to college in the final analysis. And what Rob says is a good description of a bad music program. But I'm really glad I was able to live in such an intense musical environment for the three years I was there, plus the academic classes I took have stuck with me ever since.
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    I agree with Nick. Although it is certainly possible to learn stuff on your own, and certainly most of my composition and orchestration skills were gleaned from study of scores, rather than attending classes, but being in an environment with high quality performers is very important for leering about instruments and the way they are played. Also, in order to learn on your own, you need to be pointed in the right direction. Music College is a very good way of getting this head start.

    There are some very well known film composers who have little or no formal music training, and usually it shows. However, most of these couldn't do what they do without a huge amount of help from others, and you can't rely on this sort of help, so you need to know what you're doing.

    DG
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    That's the thing:I want to have control. So far I have choices between:boston,berklee,Julliard,UCL,UCLA.

    Please rank them.

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    I don't know UCL. Berklee isn't a conservatory, it's more like a trade school for music; you can major in things like Recording Engineering and Production, Film Composition (which is what I did), Music Business, Performance, Music Education, etc. Boston Conservatory and Julliard are probably more traditional conservatories - both with good reputations. UCLA has a reputation for being good for musicology rather than performance. But you have to remember that nobody has gone to all these schools, so all you'll get are opinions based on hearsay. You might want to visit all four to try and get a feel for them.
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    As a Professor Emeritus I am coming from a biased location, but I would offer a few suggestions. First, there are no short-cuts. Second, try to study with a distinguished and diversified faculty in a rich, cultural environment. Third, choose a major university with a global reputation of highest academic excellence (if you can afford one). The three best universities in this country that have solid curricula in your areas of interest are USC, UCLA, and NYU. All three have top-ranked music and cinema schools, and you will need to study in both departments if you really want to be independent and succeed in this very competitive world in which we live. Best wishes, Gil
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    Well, as an alumnus I'd argue that Berklee doesn't fit that bill exactly yet it's still excellent if you want to study music. And the academics are surprisingly good, or at least they were when I was there...which admittedly was 26 years ago now.

    Finally, do you disagree with my comment about UCLA? It's known for its ethnomusicology, not for having a conservatory within a university.
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    Two incidents so far this year in my college [I'm in my 2nd year]:

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    Girl: Was Brahms classical or romantic?

    Me: Neither, he was Jewish [joke] 

    Girl: Oooh I see /scribbles down this information

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    The other day a final year performance student asked me who glenn gould was. Apparantely, up until now, she thought he was a contemporary of Gibbons. 
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    @Banquo said:

    Two incidents so far this year in my college [I'm in my 2nd year]:

     

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    Girl: Was Brahms classical or romantic?

    Me: Neither, he was Jewish [joke] 
    Christ!!! You ought to go on the radio with that type of material.----------A bloke once asked me why Mozart didn't record his own CD's -and he was being serious.
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    Hehe....

    How would an outer towner live in usa if he went to school? What's the price?
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    @PaulR said:

    A bloke once asked me why Mozart didn't record his own CD's -and he was being serious.

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    Good idea ---> I auction my original Mozart masters on Ebay
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    Hi Audun, Most people who attend university in Los Angeles or New York are out-of-towners, and most of them work at one or two jobs to help with food and rent. Most of these people share living quarters with one or two other students to cut down on expenses, and there is no denying the period of adjustment that anyone coming from Norway (or any other place outside the USA) would face. There are a number of scholarships and tuition-remission programs that help to offset the matriculation expenses, and the really outstanding students apply for Presidential and/or Provostial fellowships which guarantee pretty large stipends for the first four years of enrollment. This is a complex issue, and, for much more detailed information, I would suggest that you write to the Office of the University Registrar, as well as to the Departments/Schools of Music where you are thinking of applying to request University Catalogs, and School Bulletins that will outline most of the details that address your inquiries, including complete descriptions of course offerings and academic majors. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Gil
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    @PaulR said:

    Christ!!! You ought to go on the radio with that type of material.----------A bloke once asked me why Mozart didn't record his own CD's -and he was being serious.

     

    The converters weren't as good back then. And the only program he knew how to use was Garage Band. ;) 
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    http://www.mozartkugel.at

    The converters weren't as good back then. And the only program he knew how to use was Garage Band. 😉 

    I use exclusively the genuine Östereichischer Konverter-Konverter (ÖKK). All cables are original "Lipizzaner Optical Fibre" (LOF) but the "Kaiserschimmel Franz Joseph" (KFJ) quality which is manufactured in Lipizza near Triest; already the Romans used this cables for recording infantry marches and Tanzmusik Orchester. Plus the optional Mecklenburg-Vorpommern Woldeker Regine Sacher 48-bit Glasur, and of course I shoot myself regularly with "Echte Salzburger Mozartkugeln" (ESM), as all central European composers who follow the traditions of the LvB Burschenschaft.  

    The Mozat ammunition:

    http://www.mozartkugel.at

    The Mecklenburg-Vorpommern Woldegker Regine Sacher option:

    http://www.schlossgartenfestspiele.de/index.php?page=Regine_Sacher

    That all may sound a bit strange, but that is how it is!

    .
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    Hochschule für Musik (University of Music) Karlsruhe:

    Study composition with a composer of your choice. For example with composer Wolfgang Rihm at the Hochschule für Musik (University of Music) in Karlsruhe Germany. Rihm is a profound and well known composer and teacher.

    The Kalsruhe University of Music has a music informatic curriculum for progarm languages as C/C++, Csound, Max/MSP and Super Collider etc., as well algorithmic composing techniques.

    University of Music Karlsruhe, Germany:

    http://www.hfm-karlsruhe.de/
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    The technical and informatic side of music can be studied at the Universität der Künste in Berlin, Germany. Including Musicology and Music Education (Doctoral Courses of Study). The College of Music ranks as one of the largest music education institutes in Europe, rich in content and quality. Dating back to the Royal (later State) Academy of Music founded in 1869, it has been one of the leading schools of music in Germany from the outset. Composers such as Max Bruch, Engelbert Humperdinck and Paul Hindemith, performers such as Artur Schnabel, Wanda Landowska and Emanuel Feuermann, and academics such as Philipp Spitta, Curt Sachs and Kurt Singer taught here.

    Eberhard Sengiel, the multi Grammy award winning recording enginerr (Chicago Symphony Orchestra) is teaching recording technology at the UdK in Berlin:

    http://www.sengpielaudio.com/ http://www.sengpielaudio.com/Wikipedia.htm

    University of Art - UdK Berlin

    http://www.udk-berlin.de
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    Die Hochschule der Künste Bern HKB, Switzerland

    The Hochschule der Künste HDK Bern includes a multi media department, a Conservatory, a music informatic department, a recording engineering faculty etc., possibly the most complete music university in the world today. Also in the house biomedical engineering, automobil technic, architecture, music theater, church music, opera, a 25 million USD recording studio, three concert hall, the largest with 3500 seats etc., all under one roof.

    Die Hochschule der Künste (HKB) Bern

    http://www.bfh.ch/index.php?nav=241