Hey Evan Evan Evans, did you hear Jay Bacal's version of the Bloch cello piece?

As I just posted on VI-Control, this really is a new level of expression for samples. The only thing that hasn't yet been answered is subtle vibrato, and I'm not sure how that could be done.

@Another User said:

What does "falttering" mean, I am unfamiliar with this musical term, is it English?Dave Hage

No, not English. It's what linguists refer to as a different language. Which is what Evan speaks generally.

A very cunning linguist!

My guess is that Evan meant to say "Flattering" but that's not a word he's accustomed to using much. [[[;)]]]

Regards - Colinhaha
[[;)]]
Evan Evans

@hermitage59 said:

Evan's back?

Excellent.

And how is the old fart?

Always interesting when he chips in, with his 'passionate' responses. Certainly never boring.

Now if I could only convince him that Cognac is a real man's drink.......[H]

Regards,

Alex.


[[:|]]

Wow. No, I'm convinced. I can't go anywhere near that stuff. I'm partial to Rum and Port. But I prefer water.

Evan Evans

@charl said:

[...] When listening to all the individual phrase demos I thought to myself "Compared to some great VSL things I've heard, it feels a little rigid..."
I didn't feel the need to analyse in more detail though...
[...]

You have to take into account that most of the demos presented here were performed live, without much (if any) additional tweaking. So - what you hear is what you get! [:)]ahaaa. Ok Dietz. That is different, yes. Unfortunately to me, it sounds a bit 80s. The result that is. I hope that with enough EQ-ing, IR-ing, filtering etc, that it could sound more like progress than regression. But it's probably not that crucial of an aspect of what is purchased as I surmise the performance can be tweaked ad nauseam to taste.

Related question then, has anyone posted anything more than just raw examples of live playback using VI?

Evan Evans

@Nick Batzdorf said:

Hey Evan Evan Evans, did you hear Jay Bacal's version of the Bloch cello piece?

As I just posted on VI-Control, this really is a new level of expression for samples. The only thing that hasn't yet been answered is subtle vibrato, and I'm not sure how that could be done.

I'll check it out Nick. Link?

Evan

It's on the same page with the other 39...or maybe 40 - it could be #41.

http://www.vsl.co.at/en-us/65/71/248.vsl

There you go.

@hermitage59 said:

Evan's back?

Excellent.

And how is the old fart?

Always interesting when he chips in, with his 'passionate' responses. Certainly never boring.

Now if I could only convince him that Cognac is a real man's drink.......[H]

Regards,

Alex.


[[[:|]]]

Wow. No, I'm convinced. I can't go anywhere near that stuff. I'm partial to Rum and Port. But I prefer water.

Evan Evans

You're a port drinker?

Evan, old chap!

You'll get accused of being a civilised fellow if you keep this up.....[[[:|]]]



To the topic in hand. I think the demos reflect a real possibility in performance input with samples. Yes, they're not 'finished' in a sense, having no enhancements, something we'd have to do anyway with any form of input.

But, and i will be frank, for a 'played input', these demos are already better (IMHO) than other 'finished' offerings in the sample library arena. Add enhancements, and i think the result would be considerably better.
I actually think this way of presenting exmaples is a more honest way of showing the VI capabilities. How many times have we wanted to hear demos without effects or manipulation, so we can make a decision on their potential?

Perhaps an explanatory note, outlining in more detail the intent of the demos would have made things clearer.

But ultimately, we're hearing raw output, and in that criteria, i think the demos are good and serve the purpose.



Regards,

Alex.

@hermitage59 said:

[...] Perhaps an explanatory note, outlining in more detail the intent of the demos would have made things clearer. [...]

I think Jay Bacal and Christian Kardeis posted some details in the original "VI Demo"-thread.

I'm really disappointed that the title of this thread has been changed. I must do something about that [[;)]]

DG

Haha. Im faltered you say so!
Did you actually think I ever miss a beat?
[;)]
Evan Evans

Alex,
Well said. I agree.
Evan Evans

These demos will certainly give some users something to aspire to while they will inspire verteran users to explore or exploit the capabilities and limitations of their own expressive vocabulary.

One of my favorite demos was the original SE Blue Danube, which convinced me to take the leap to VSL originally. But generally, I don't worry about the demos *so* much. It's akin to listening to different recordings of the same symphony by different conductors and orchestras. One of my favorite things to do is to use the iTunes browser to compare different excerpts of the same work.

Isn't it funny that the same issues arise regarding the mix and interpretation even when a sample library is not involved?

@evanevans said:

Haha. Im faltered you say so!
Did you actually think I ever miss a beat?
[;)]
Evan Evans

Dunno, I'll ask your players [8-)]

DG

@JWL said:

[...] One of my favorite demos was the original SE Blue Danube [...]

Nice to hear - this is one of my all-time favorites of our demos, too. It has a very special vibe, and apart from that it was this piece that convinced me that the ideas for a new and different sampling library will work out [:)]

@evanevans said:

Wow. No, I'm convinced. I can't go anywhere near that stuff. I'm partial to Rum and Port. But I prefer water.

Evan Evans

Those americans and their new-world cocktails... [[:|]]

@JWL said:

[...] One of my favorite demos was the original SE Blue Danube [...]

Nice to hear - this is one of my all-time favorites of our demos, too. It has a very special vibe, and apart from that it was this piece that convinced me that the ideas for a new and different sampling library will work out [:)]

Yeah-- but Dietz, I went looking for demo on the ilio site and because it was part of the SE it was removed. "Danube" really ought to be part of ilio PE demos. It's nice to hear some of the other demos, but that one was the breakout track that launched this new era of orchestral libraries.

I will add that the Bloch "Prayer" is a VI winner. I played the track for a cellist today who has played that piece for years. He was quite moved by the performance until I explained that it was VSL. His response: "That's digusting!!" [:D]

The massenet piece does it for me from another perspective as the blue danube.
The feel is not only more intense but the stamina and the consistency beats anything.
The feel is dynamic city. That ought to make the reel players not only discusting but
aware.

Evan

I Just read your bio. What an honor to have bill evans heir on this forum. I've heard many stories of your heart felt father during his career. He had the most educational trio standing up next to nat king cole trio. I'm sure you hear it all the time.

your acheivement is very fertile as it is, if one does and may say so. ( very Impressive )


By the way We apparently were in Goldsmith's seminar at the same time.
When he mentioned his fee was a million dollars and got pissed at the lady who asked him if he composed ordinary music. He He.

E-mail me if you want a complimantary copy of my book. Be happy to send you one.

Why don't we open a special thread on E.Evans ?
I remember the days before he took some vacations, he almost spent all his precious time to post a huge % of the forums messages. We ended by reading all the day his writings…

Being a son of a very respected musician doesn't make you more respected, it can be impressive to many people, but the only valuable thing is what YOU are by yourself, and what you create.

I'm tired of the people impressed by the typical bio like (began the piano at 2, improvise at 3 and conduct at 4), what does that mean if your music isn't good ?

That's why I did this video:
http://www.vimeo.com/user=Alban

Laurent Levesque
http://www.no-text.net/artist_levesque.htm
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1600916/