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  • How's the performance with the new QUAD G5?

    When will that info be posted? Now that this product has come out and we have to kick out the extra dough (meaning that we'll have to upgrade your computer) to upgrade computers...

    What kind of machine will be the minimum standard?

  • As I understand it, the Quads have just began unloading their first shipments. I did not want to take any chances, I went for it! [:D] Faster and huge amount of Ram room. [H]

  • As said several times on the forum by various VSL staff, where I'm almost sure you've read it already, the info will be posted when it's confirmed. Just a little more patience is needed here. Afterall I wouldn't suggest you to buy a computer long before SC is shipping, because prices will drop in the meantime and it wouldn't make sense to loose more money on that than necessary, or at least if the same amount is spent, get more performance for your money.

    Ass far as I read the VIs will run on any computer you are hosting your current EXS or GigaStudio3 on.

    All the best,
    PolarBear

  • I'm asking to see how long it will take to work out the kinks before I buy into the library.

  • Beaswax, so far you didn't like any aspect of the VSL but still want to buy into it? I wish you all the best and hope your purchase is well thought-out. But thanks for the offer you are willing to also upgrade my computer [:D] [;)]

    More seriously though, they still are running the tests for the hardware requirements, so I doubt you'll get more info until it's confirmed from other people what hardware specs are needed. From what I read, the VIs can be run at least as well as from the computers you are running your current EXS, GS, Kontakt, Halion or whatever on for your VSL samples.

    All the best,
    PolarBear

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    @Beaswax said:

    I'm asking to see how long it will take to work out the kinks before I buy into the library.


    There is no way to know this untill the first users have got their grubby hands on VI. Why don't you haunt this forum for a few months, maybe answer some questions for existing content users while you're here (just to be helpful and neighbourly) and those of us who are jumping right in will be able to tell you how we are getting on.

    DG

  • >>the VIs can be run at least as well as from the computers you are running your current EXS, GS, Kontakt, Halion or whatever on for your VSL samples. >>


    hmmm, between exs and Kontakt/HALion there is world inbetween. (performance wise and otherwise) [:)]

    We might have to wait, but I am sure that shortly after the release we will get information
    from that forum for a lot of systems.

    best

  • I said that because there are people who don't know one or the other in-depth, and are only running one thing on their system. If you only god Horizon Epic Horns for Kontakt on PC I'm sure some people won't have any clue how Pro Ed COP will perform with EXS on a Mac (that is just a fictious example btw, no harm meant to any users of either here).

    Actually I myself do not know much about performance of applications on a Mac. It's just that all mentioned need roundabout (a wide generalisation I know) the same hardware specs. You can't run them efficiently on your Pentium II 300Mhz, but you don't necessarily need a X64 5000+ (or quad G6 in case of Mac) in order to run them either.

    Sorry for any confusion raisedfrom this!
    PolarBear

  • For me, a big setback with the Quad G5 is the fact that there is a completely new slot (PCIe = PCI extended) format. This means that NO existing PCI or even PCIx audio cards will work in these new machines. So, the only realistic audio option is an external firwire system.

    An article in the recent issue of Sound on Sound has representatives from all the majors (RME, MOTU, Edirol, Yamaha etc) all saying that they are not rushing towards this new format, so we may not see PCIe soundcards for a long time yet.

    Just curious - what are current Quad owners using for audio?

    Regards - Colin

  • Why do they keep changing the PCi slots in the G5s with every revision, i'ts kind of naff really, I mean I have the PCIX one and there is still no cards for even that now they have a new one go figure that's one thing I really dont understand anyone got an explanation?

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    @musos said:

    For me, a big setback with the Quad G5 is the fact that there is a completely new slot (PCIe = PCI extended) format. This means that NO existing PCI or even PCIx audio cards will work in these new machines. So, the only realistic audio option is an external firwire system.

    An article in the recent issue of Sound on Sound has representatives from all the majors (RME, MOTU, Edirol, Yamaha etc) all saying that they are not rushing towards this new format, so we may not see PCIe soundcards for a long time yet.

    Just curious - what are current Quad owners using for audio?

    Regards - Colin


    This the question I put to a member 3 or 4 weeks ago. Still don't know the answer and that article you mention in SOS also states that some of the developers could take at least a year to come up with something. PCIe is a lot more complicated that PCIx.
    The other concern MAYBE, that audio card developers will wait until the new Macs appear - the Intel ones.

    No - for me at the moment the Quads were never designed for audio in the first place - more to do with the graphics people. It's very noticable at this time theat a huge number of graphic pros are selling their Mac G5's 2.5's/2.7's etc currently at a rate of knots.

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    Paul wrote:

    @Another User said:

    for me at the moment the Quads were never designed for audio in the first place - more to do with the graphics people.

    Interesting observation Paul.
    Maybe Apple will surprise us all with their own brand of PCIe audio interface. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the next release of G5's has in store.

    For now, I'll hang onto my RME card.....

    Regards - Colin

  • Miklos,

    It's bread and water for me for a while [:(] I just purchased the symphonic cube [:D] , plus the Quad a few weeks ago, may even have to ration on the bread!!

    Please God, make it that all these new machines, computers and software get along together!!!

    AMEN!

  • Good prayer Guy. I think you'll be alright perhaps a few hiccups remember not to panic! have paper bags at the ready...

    The only problem with the quads I think is the lack of PCI interfaces but that's not a problem for you, and I think you will find that besides the possible few initial bumps over the first few weeks getting things set up (remember to save often and backup often especially projects) - you should do really well with the quad. Having said that, you may well have no problems at all. Logic is Apple, updates would be very forthcoming for any initial problems, and VSL will be right on top of any probs with the VI and quads/g5's so again very little downtime if any I would expect any major issues to be sorted out within days/weeks if there are any. Perhaps I will eat my words? I don't think so nobody can tell the future but that's what I think anyway.

    A tip: skip the bread and learn a yogic breathing exercise to transform the positive ions from the back of the fan of your G5 into glucose and proteins (using your nose to breath in the air flow) then you won't need to eat at all except as a luxury, steal a few multivitamin pills from a friends cupboard they won't notice. You may even be able to contact spiritual beings after a time who can instruct you on your music and provide lottery numbers on occasion perhaps even in sequence. [:O] learn to write music without sleeping. seriously though positive ions are bad for your health! [*-)] [*-)]

    Seriously seriously though the one thing you WILL NEED to watch out for and be very careful about is which audio interface you choose because they can be very slow in releasing drivers with new release hardware problems and could leave you stuck. Don't buy anything that you aren't sure works with the G5 quad + Logic + VSL it should ideally be a firewire interface with coreaudio drivers. Even the Metric Halo that I own - I mean, sometimes it's months before they release a fix for major problems, although everything is good now.

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    @mpower88 said:

    Good prayer Guy. I think you'll be alright perhaps a few hiccups remember not to panic! have paper bags at the ready...

    The only problem with the quads I think is the lack of PCI interfaces but that's not a problem for you, and I think you will find that besides the possible few initial bumps over the first few weeks getting things set up (remember to save often and backup often especially projects) - you should do really well with the quad. Having said that, you may well have no problems at all. Logic is Apple, updates would be very forthcoming for any initial problems, and VSL will be right on top of any probs with the VI and quads/g5's so again very little downtime if any I would expect any major issues to be sorted out within days/weeks if there are any. Perhaps I will eat my words? I don't think so nobody can tell the future but that's what I think anyway.

    A tip: skip the bread and learn a yogic breathing exercise to transform the positive ions from the back of the fan of your G5 into glucose and proteins (using your nose to breath in the air flow) then you won't need to eat at all except as a luxury, steal a few multivitamin pills from a friends cupboard they won't notice. You may even be able to contact spiritual beings after a time who can instruct you on your music and provide lottery numbers on occasion perhaps even in sequence. [:O] learn to write music without sleeping. seriously though positive ions are bad for your health! [*-)] [*-)]

    Seriously seriously though the one thing you WILL NEED to watch out for and be very careful about is which audio interface you choose because they can be very slow in releasing drivers with new release hardware problems and could leave you stuck. Don't buy anything that you aren't sure works with the G5 quad + Logic + VSL it should ideally be a firewire interface with coreaudio drivers. Even the Metric Halo that I own - I mean, sometimes it's months before they release a fix for major problems, although everything is good now.


    Haha! It's a good thing that laughter is the closest distance between 2 people! [H] [:D]

    I had actually planed on eating the bugs from my studio for the next 6 month, great in protein!!

    Some very comforting words in the 1st paragraph, and I do need them!!! [:O]ops: The audio interface is the final piece I haven't gotten yet, and perhaps a good thing. So you're suggestion is ideally a firewire interface with coreaudio drivers. Ok. Did I say 6 month? Make that a year!

    Well thanks! [[;)]]

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    Get an RME Fireface 800 from www.rme-audio.com. Fantastic drivers, low latency, PC Drivers are updated on a very regular basis including 64bit ones! MAC seems to be the same, but not having a MAC can't comment fully - but if its anything like their PC support it will rock,

  • cool there you go. don't know about the sound of those tho never heard one.

  • RME Fireface 800's are approximately £900 at the moment. Ummmm.....

  • I think that the Multiface is a little bit cheaper, and I've had no problems with it.

    DG

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    @DG said:

    I think that the Multiface is a little bit cheaper, and I've had no problems with it.

    DG


    Yes Daryl - but forgive my technical ignorance here - but how does that stack up with a Mac Quad? This is what I want to know from a purely unquisitive side. I have no intention of getting a Mac Quad currently, but I would not like to think people are ordering this monster only to find that they have a big problem getting any noise out of it.