Ditto on Dave's remarks. I studied composition privately with Ziggy Hurwitz for seven years. I remember during one of my lessons I was grumbling about having to analyze some work or the other, and Ziggy looked at me and said...

"You want to be a great composer, right?"

"Umm, yeah...", I replied.

"Then tell me. How can you be a great composer unless you understand what the great composers did?"

I never grumbled again. Well...about THAT, at least.

Fred Story
Concentrix Music and Sound Design
www.concentrixmusic.com

Oh, man, this is not nice. I get logged off for no reason and so my carefully written post is gone.
I´ll try once again.


Dear Evan, Dave and Fred,

thank you very much for your kind words. I appreciate your attention very much. It does help me growing.
I already answered Evan to his very kind offer. But unfortunatly I´m currently located in The Hague, Netherlands, where I follow/continue/finish my composition study (so I´m not stubborn on myself). Visiting Evan is a bit far away for now, but this may change.

Dave, your idea sounds very good, I will apply it on the next piece.

Thanks again for your feedback and please stay tuned,
- Mathis [:D]

So my Opus1 arrived and as an exercise I made a short Hobo solo piece:
http://www.audionomio.de/mp3/HoboSolo_Mix1.mp3">http://www.audionomio.de/mp3/HoboSolo_Mix1.mp3

I have to say that I´m very pleased with the result. In the beginning it was quite a "Gfreckl", it seemed fussy, but in the end it was easier than I thought.
Enjoy the "dirt track" I added to it [H] .

Coming back to my original question of this thread, it seems that I´m quite influenced by the sources a library provides. For example in the earlier pieces I used much staccato, because it simply sounded so much more authentic than the legato things.
In this piece my perfomance was very much influenced by the tempi of the dynamic samples, pfp. So it seems not to be entirely free, what one can do with such a library.
What are your experiences regarding influence of library?

I also have to say that I like the virtuosic liberty with such a library. I`m not sure, but I guess a real hobo player would puke when he saw that flattertongue glissando on the highest g. [:P]

Please tell me what you think,
best regards,
- Mathis

This is ridiculous! [:O]ops:

I really like´d to know why I constantly mix up things. For some reason I was completely convinced that an Oboe is a hobo in english.... [8-)]
So, but what is a Hobo? [*-)]: Here´s the answer:
http://www.hobo.com/what_is.htm">http://www.hobo.com/what_is.htm

Anyway a nice title for the piece... [:D]


(I always wanted to use all these emoticons!) [:P]

Oh my goodness. I was like, this is a great oboe solo. I thought it was goin got be some kind of wierd clown piece of music!

lol.

Was this real oboe or VSL? I was utterly convinced.

[:)]

Evan Evans

Mathis

This is a great job, with the phrasing and breaths - probably should be one of the regular demos for its total realism.

BTW did you really get a homeless guy to do this? That's nice of you. I hope you paid him more than just beer.

Thanks guys, very much appreciated!
The hobo was accurately filled up with lots of whisky for the rest of the week and left the house with a kind of green face.... [+o(]

@Another User said:

- probably should be one of the regular demos for its total realism.

Herb and Co is very welcome to do this.

Bests and thanks for listening,
- Mathis

Mathis,

Wonderful piece! Was that pro edition oboe? I only have 1st edition so I'm wondering if I have all those articulations.

Enjoyed the "dirt track". Very nice compositionally - you're very talented.

Dave Connor

And the breaths? Do we have that in Pro?

Evan Evans

Thanks, Dave!
Guys, now the surprise: That´s Opus 1.

And concerning the breaths: That´s me little hobo. [H]
I decided while programming where the hobo has to breath, left the spaces, then put up a microphone and there I went...

Wow! I was just thinking about doing the same trick.

Great effect, great demo!

Peter
www.PeterRoos.com

The important point about those breaths and pauses is not that it's just a trick. It is exactly what you should be thinking about when using samples - where would the breaths go, how would the phrases have to be done?

I have heard so many other sampled performances that sound completely artificial not because of the quality of the samples but because the person using them ignored the phrasing essential to playing the instrument.

BTW Mathis, how can I get in touch with this hobo? He is great, and I'd like to hire him though I suppose with his new-found fame he's booked through the next year.

(Sorry, just can't let it drop.)

yup, I completely agree, William. It´s really not a trick, it´s the foundation of music, even if you don´t use samples.

Great demo Mathis - How about some longer phrases with the sounds of circular breathing (i.e. nasal) over the top - that would be just added cool! [:D]

Nice idea, DaveTubaKing, maybe I do a tuba solo next? With circular breathing, great! [:D]

William, I just looked for him the whole evening and finally I found him at the beach drinking all the whisky (without me [*-)] ). But he agreed that he hasn´t enough whisky for the rest of the year, so he´s open for employment. [:D]

Hey, DaveTubaKing, I was just reading my post from yesterday evening and found that it might sound like making fun of you. Wasn´t ment that way, actually I do like the idea.

David, that´s quite a challenging assignment. I´m really curious what will come out. Imagining a five minute Tuba solo with continuos sound going thrue all the dynamic and pitched ranges is fantastic. Let us listen here!

@DaveTubaKing said:

Great demo Mathis

I've just heard this Mathis. Thats very good. [:)]

Also, DaveTubaKing is a storming name. [H]
Seriously Dave, how do you find Tuba samples compare to the real thing. I've always found the Tuba (samples) difficult when placing it in a piece.

Also, DaveTubaKing is a storming name. [H] - it was either that or Hamster Irons. [*-)]

Seriously Dave, how do you find Tuba samples compare to the real thing. I've always found the Tuba (samples) difficult when placing it in a piece.[/quote]

Paul,

Your too quick for me my OPUS1 hasn't arrived yet - anyday now. Onced I've formed a view I've no doubt I'll share it. The Tuba demo is very impressive and has a distinct European sound. I understand the upper range only goes to G4 which is a good third short of pro range (and a fifth+ short of virtuosi range) and there's no Tenor Tuba/Euphonium which is dissapointing but hopefully it's in the pipeline so to speak.

This recording of real breathing for WW solos derserves the 'gold star of the day'.

One more idea - I was listening to Yo-Yo Ma (Cello) with John Williams yesterday and they sounded like they had a 'head mic' on Yo Yo. As he built expression into a phrase he would breathe deeper, etc. We could add this 'breathing' to other solo instrument performances. Just and idea.

Rob