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  • Upset First Edition owner

    The Opus 1 release is completely unfair to owners of the First Edition.

    People who have already paid three times as much will not have any muted strings, pentatonic glissando harp, piccolo or english horn unless they buy the Pro edition for an additional $2000, totalling $5000. Whereas a new buyer can pay around a thousand and obtain all those and the basic First Edition instruments. This is not right.

    I know there are many more samples, repetitions, etc. in the First Edition, but fewer basic instruments.

    You must offer a separate upgrade path for First Edition owners that includes the new sample sets in the Opus 1.

  • A nominal, or even free, upgrade would make a lot of sense.

  • I'm disappointed as well. The First Edition does not include, for example, forte performance instruments for bassoon or Flute or Trumpet ensemble.
    It will be great to get the First Edition update DVD, but I'm not sure that it includes a lot of the Opus 1 instruments either.

    On the other hand, the solo strings box seems well worth it for a First Edition User.

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    @William said:

    The Opus 1 release is completely unfair to owners of the First Edition.

    People who have already paid three times as much will not have any muted strings, pentatonic glissando harp, piccolo or english horn unless they buy the Pro edition for an additional $2000, totalling $5000. Whereas a new buyer can pay around a thousand and obtain all those and the basic First Edition instruments. This is not right.

    I know there are many more samples, repetitions, etc. in the First Edition, but fewer basic instruments.

    You must offer a separate upgrade path for First Edition owners that includes the new sample sets in the Opus 1.


    William,

    in all fairness this opus 1 is based on the pro edition not the 1st edition.
    and also keep in mind the update dvd(s?) that the 1st edition users are going to be getting soon.

    Unlike the users of EWQLSO that have the Platinum edition and now EW has come out with the Silver Edition (295) based on the Platinum that actually has various other instruments that the Platinum users do not have.

    i think Herb and the VSL team have come out with a products(s) that do not slap the owners of the larger VSL product(s) in the face.
    Actually i think they have come out very nice supplements to existing products.
    and hope they continue in the same direction not forgetting about the us owners of the larger products.

    keep up the great work

    douglas

  • Douglas

    So you're saying in effect I should opt for $2000 more instead of $2000 less to get additional instruments.

    I don't think I'll be hiring you as my financial advisor.

  • William,

    your argument would be much more valid if you in fact had the pro edition and opus 1 had some samples you did not. Sorry your argument just does not hold water.

    Facts are your 1st edition has 90gig of material
    pro edition has 238 gig of material

    opus 1 has 40gig of material based on the pro edition(clearly stated).

    my only concern with these new products is the solo strings for Pro edition users now having to spend extra to get what should have been part of the Pro edition solo instruments.

    your cpa
    douglas

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    @Douglas Thornton said:

    William,


    my only concern with these new products if the solo strings for Pro edition users now having to spend extra to get what should have been part of the Pro edition solo instruments.

    your cpa
    douglas


    Douglas,
    I agree (see my thread) that it seems the Pro Edition shoudl include solo strings.
    Best,
    Marc

  • Hi,
    I totally agree with Williams point of view!
    It's unfair: We (First Edition owners) payed a lot of money to get these (wonderful) instruments (especially the strings are remarqueable), but I don't understand why people who buy the Opus 1 get even more possibilities and facettes to produce their music as customers from the very beginning who helped to buildt up that company.
    So, I can give you an example: I'm 17 years old, so you can imagine I do not have a large bank account, which is full of gold reserves, even I was able to manage the payments for the First Edition.
    Normaly people of my age buy cars or spend their money in other stuff.
    I choosed the way of music and that was (for me) the VSL.
    I get personally disappointed if now somebody tells me you've got basically the same instruments at a price which is under a 1/3 of the First Edition prices.
    And I'm not the only VSL owner, who spend his last cent into the whole thing.

    People at VSL: Please don't get me wrong: When you developed that Library, you started a new competition on the market on which you are still the best option - have a look (ear) at the strings of the EWQLSO [:)]
    I admit your project and I am one of your greatest fans.
    Otherwise I haven't paid such an amount of money. I know how it is to sell a product or to buy it. Those who want to sell it do know how much effort was brought in into the whole project.

    But I have to be egoistic ... and I'm the customer ... so I want to get it as affordable as possible.

    I'm really happy with my little "Complete Orchestral Package" right here.
    Please make me happier, so I'm a customer who will always be on your site (especially on new lines like the Horizon series - Guitars, Saxes and so on).
    Please, make me happy.

    Best regards,
    Hans-Peter

  • Douglas,

    Sorry, I don't mean to be obnoxious and argumentative but you don't see what I'm saying - there is currently NO WAY for me to obtain absolutely crucial VSL instruments - piccolo, english horn and muted strings - without paying an additional $2000.

    But the people who now buy the Opus 1 can, and pay less than I did!

    The fact there are more samples in the First edition is not the point. There is no representation of those other instruments at all. I would have absolutely no problem with this if the Opus 1 did not include those instruments - if it was just a lite version of the First Edition. Then it would be totally justifiable. But it is not and this is going to make me think real hard about upgrading, which I may have to do by getting individual instruments elsewhere, or simply use older Miraslav/Siedlaczek sounds for those. I have tremendous respect for this great company and the expert, talented people who run it, but right now I disagree with this policy.

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    @William said:

    Douglas,

    Sorry, I don't mean to be obnoxious and argumentative but you don't see what I'm saying - there is currently NO WAY for me to obtain absolutely crucial VSL instruments - piccolo, english horn and muted strings - without paying an additional $2000.

    But the people who now buy the Opus 1 can, and pay less than I did!

    The fact there are more samples in the First edition is not the point. There is no representation of those other instruments at all. I would have absolutely no problem with this if the Opus 1 did not include those instruments - if it was just a lite version of the First Edition. Then it would be totally justifiable. But it is not and this is going to make me think real hard about upgrading, which I was planning to do before but am not so sure I want to anymore. I have tremendous respect for this great company and the expert, talented people who run it, but right now I feel like I am being shafted.


    William,

    i do see your point about having access to additional intstruments now avail in the opus 1, maybe herb and the vsl team will make them avail for a nominal fee for the 1st edition owners. But remember the Flagship is the pro edition.

    still your cpa
    douglas

  • It sounds like the only justifiable thing to be upset about here is the inclusion of certain instruments in Opus 1 that weren't included in the First Edition. To remedy that, VSL should just make those available to First Edition owners free of charge, and not make them buy the entire Opus 1 which contains mainly instruments they already have. But don't take anything out of Opus 1 PLEASE!

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    @peter0302 said:

    It sounds like the only justifiable thing to be upset about here is the inclusion of certain instruments in Opus 1 that weren't included in the First Edition. To remedy that, VSL should just make those available to First Edition owners free of charge, and not make them buy the entire Opus 1 which contains mainly instruments they already have. But don't take anything out of Opus 1 PLEASE!


    Peter,

    i disagree with the free thing, make them available to 1st edition users, yes.
    I see absolutely no reason why they should be free. Herb and VSL have been very reasonable but dont abuse it.

    douglas

  • listen all!!!

    I do not need all the damned articulations in the Pro Edition. I am a first edition owner and I think that the OPUS 1 should be available to current First Edition owners for about $200, which is the value of included materials on the OPUS 1 after we recieve our Update DVD.

    I am not interested in the flagship pro Edition now that the OPUS 1 is out. Can some of you respect that and stop telling me and other users that we should buy the Pro Edition? Thanks,

    Evan Evans

  • Evanevans,

    That is EXACTLY it. You hit the nail on the head there. Of course eventually I'd like to get all those refinements and additional unusual instruments in the Pro edition, but right now I'm putting off recording several pieces that use the rather normal third player woodwinds like piccolo and english horn, and muted strings. Also the pentatonic glissando kills me - that is one of the most beautiful things the harp does and not in the First Edition.

  • OK, guys.

    I give up. IMO it makes really no sense to invest into "Opus 1" when you own the First Edition.
    It also makes no sense to make an extra "Opus 1" release for First Edition users.
    At last it make no sense to offer the existing "Opus 1" package so cheap: Replication costs, shipping, distributors percantages etc.

    So only one solution exists:

    We'll expand the free update DVD. OK?

    best wishes
    Herb

    PS: Evan, if you have any chance to visit us at NAMM, please let us know.
    I will give you a personal training for the repetition stuff.
    But be careful. After that it could be, that you could not work without them. [6]

  • Herb,

    Why are you so awesome!!!!

    You are the best. I will indeed come to see you and learn the rep stuff. Then maybe I will become a preacher of the rep stuff. [:)]

    Yours,
    Evan Evans

  • Herb,

    So many other companies need to watch how you are running VSL.......
    honestly and always listening!

    kudos,

    douglas

  • Wow expanding the free update would be very kind [:D] I have to admit when I saw Opus 1 I felt like I had been kinda screwed. I paid almost 3 thousand canadian for just the first edition cube and then I see opus for about a thousand and it has all kinds of stuff I don't have. If I had known about Opus I would have waited, it was a big stretch just buying the cube. So anyways thanks for expanding the free dvd!!!

  • Okay, I was about to jump on the bandwagon here, but is seems as though the bandwagon has errr... disbanded? [[:|]] Anyway, I just wanted say, great solution Herb! it's just another testament to the first class way you treat your customers. [:D]

  • Herb

    Would it make sense to get Opus 1 if you only owned the First Edition Performance Set?

    EDIT:
    I just listened to Maarten's demo again and the answers to my question is obviously yes.

    Is there an upgrade or crossgrade from the First Edition Performance Set to Opus 1?