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    Hello [:)]

    Could you give us more information about the future of VSL ? Software version, new products, ... ? [H]

    At least a release date (in month) !! please !! [[;)]]

    The last official release was around the first days of march, can we hope to have a gift in september ? [8-)] [:D]

    Thanks all
    Mathieu
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    Choir - please. [[;)]]


    Rob
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    as herb already mentioned in another thread: special keyboards should ship in about 2 week. for everything else you know: except for MIR VSL never announces unlayed eggs [;)]
    christian
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    On with the egg-laying! [:@]



    [[;)]]
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    OK here is atl least one or another quite probable egg to lay:

    Since Horizon will no longer be continued, It dont seem to me very probable, that VSL will sell no longer their wonderful guitarsamples....

    But beside the update to 64bit-compatibility what I am more curious about is how they will continue to improve their core-product the Cube .

    what will mean nothing else but:
    "give us another Terabyte as soon as possible!!!" [[;)]]

    best
    Steffen
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    The VI has none of the obvious hinderings to production from the giga version, i.e. the performance tool, to worry about. Could this product be perfect? Apart from sampling more instruments [choir!] and MIR, what else is there really for VSL to do?

    When I'm working with the VI, there's never really any time I'm thinking 'Damn, I wish that was different'. Few glitches here and there, but they're next to nothing. Cost of doing business.
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    @fahl5 said:


    Since Horizon will no longer be continued, It dont seem to me very probable, that VSL will sell no longer their wonderful guitarsamples....


    Steffen:

    You make a very important point. Perhaps the Guitars will be among the next instruments to appear in the new interface? Perhaps this is why the old versions are being discontinued.

    I don't think the VSL team would withdraw *all* formats of one of their libraries. If Horizon is going away, I believe that something else is "on the horizon"! [[;)]]
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    @JWL said:


    I don't think the VSL team would withdraw *all* formats of one of their libraries.


    I'm not so sure, actually. Their player is cross-platform, and is highly optimized for their libraries. The data itself is encoded differently, and the programming required for each new instrument must be significant. So why would they necessarily continue developing for other platforms? I mean, it would seem sort of extreme to stop supporting other samplers, but with proprietary formats from so many companies, the only reasonable way to keep up is... well... *not* to keep up. Build your own integrated system, combining the samples and the player... And that's exactly what they've done! [;)]

    As for "next", well, they have to continue making money. So they've got to keep releasing things they can sell - incremental upgrades to software obviously don't count. So, MIR is one thing. Major revisions of the VI player are another And, well... more sounds! Although it means very little to me, I'd say the Choir is in the cards. And as I've said a million times before - extended techniques! I do think they'll do it, one day. There's just sooooo much that can be done with any single instrument, and a lot of these so-called extended techniques aren't really so "extended" any more. They're quite commonly used for "effects" in film scoring, so I think it's only a matter of time. What a happy day that will be for me!

    I also wouldn't entirely rule out a sample-resynthesis technique in the future. I guess it depends on how the whole RAM access puzzle plays out. However, there are realizations of sample resynthesis using SDIF (which is basically an open format - you can get as picky as you want) that sound pretty much identical to the original wav files (IRCAM's AudioSculpt is an example of such high-quality resynthesis). The big benefit here would be to unlock the sample in the time domain, making it possible to freely adjust note-durations. Also, in the event that VSL came up with their own notation-based sequencer (my number one day dream!), SDIF could provide a way of adjusting note durations on "dynamics" samples, for example, to perfectly fit the length of the note written in the score, or "tighten up" staccato notes for certain passages, or marginally stretch portato samples for a softer effect. SDIF could also but used to solve the phasing-on-crossfade problem, while at the same time providing the possibility for virtually continuous dynamics on all instruments and all samples...
    Anyway, the big issue is that a highly-accurate, well-defined SDIF file is often *larger* than the original wav, so memory is still an issue... On the other hand, SDIF is frame-based, and thus entirely stream-able. I honestly think a top-notch SDIF implementation would be indistinguishable from the original, and could thus maintain VSL's devotion to the raw sample. Not saying it will happen, but it's a possibility...

    J.
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    My wishes:
    Saxophones II: Sopranino, Kontrabass, Top-tones and Flageoletts for all Saxes.

    Alban
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    @JWL said:


    I don't think the VSL team would withdraw *all* formats of one of their libraries.


    I'm not so sure, actually. Their player is cross-platform, and is highly optimized for their libraries. The data itself is encoded differently, and the programming required for each new instrument must be significant. So why would they necessarily continue developing for other platforms? I mean, it would seem sort of extreme to stop supporting other samplers, but with proprietary formats from so many companies, the only reasonable way to keep up is... well... *not* to keep up. Build your own integrated system, combining the samples and the player... And that's exactly what they've done! [;)]


    That's pretty much what I was driving at. There's a difference between discontinuing the *Horizon* line from the idea of discontinuing the *guitar library* with no recourse.

    If Horizon is going away and taking the guitar library with it, it seems quite reasonable that VSL may have other plans-- ie: to re-issue the guitars in the new console.

    Since Horizon is at its end-game, it would be huge news if VSL chose to withdraw the guitar library altogether.

    For a company who has always been at the cutting edge, it seems out of character for them "not to keep up", so to speak. This is only a gut feeling and not based on fact. But if the guitar library goes away forever I'd be more surprised-- and even a little disappointed, really.
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    oh, duh... sorry, I didn't mean to ignore your point.

    Naturally, the guitars will be released as a VI - I can't imagine VSL just tossing out however many sampling sessions it must have taken to create Overdrive.

    J.
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    Actaully, I.m pretty sure that I read somewhere that they're discontinuing the guitars. Could be wrong tho.
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    Speaking as a total newb who is about to remortgage his home to buy VI (well, that's partly why, anyway)...

    Apart from a choir, which looks as though it may already be on the way, I'd like to have a second solo violin recorded by a different performer for string quartet work. I've read up on the tricks you can use to make a quartet out of 3 performers, like transposing the second violin part up on the player side and down on the midi side, but surely you're still getting exactly the same technique, plus a virtually identical tonal quality. Apart from the obvious cost angle, I can't see why the Solo Strings didn't have two solo violins right from the start, unless it's something to do with the physical arrangement of the string quartet in Austria that supposedly has the first and second violin on opposite sides instead of next to eachother, so the physical separation in the soundstage makes up for the lack of "logical separation".

    Another thing that appears to be needed is an extension of the crossfade into a sort of "cross-modulation" that would allow, for example, a violin note without vibrato to be smoothly and seamlessly faded into (and out of) a similar note with vibrato. I can't help but note how quickly the crossfades were done in the tutorial video so as to avoid exposing this issue!
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    Hi Angelus.

    >Apart from the obvious cost angle, I can't see why the Solo Strings didn't have two solo violins right from the start

    I estimate the solo violin on the Solo Strings VI plays around 30,000 samples. I shudder to think how long it took to record and program all those separate performances - having done it once, you wouldn't want to do it again!
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    Hey Conquer. while I see you here, check your PM, you obviously don't check it very often, this one I wrote something like 2 month ago!
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    Hi Guy. I'm proud and ashamed in equal measures to admit that I have never checked my PM and don't know how to! Yrs blissfully ignorant, C.
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    @Banquo said:

    Actaully, I.m pretty sure that I read somewhere that they're discontinuing the guitars. Could be wrong tho.


    Oh PLEASE say it isn't so!! [:'(]
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    Conquer, once you log in, look at the bottom, it will be written: you have no new messages or you have 1 new message etc.... just click in that and you'll see your PM.
    You may have one a million dollars and don't know it! [:D]
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    I'd like to second Angelus' desire for a second solo violin.

    I very much enjoy the present solo violin however it would be wonderful to have a second, perhaps more dolce-sounding solo violinist sampled.

    I find it hard to believe after all this time, money and effort VSL has spent on learning how to sample strings that they could be through doing this. Every set of new strings has been sampled and edited better than the ones previous to it.

    It would be joy to have a second solo violin with a new soloist performing. Each articulation would have different timing and nuance. Although I do have solo violins alternatives from different sample library manufacturers I very much prefer the VSL sound and and working within the Vienna Instruments interface.
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    @Another User said:

    Forum: Vienna Instruments Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:21 pm Subject: OVERDRIVE

    I think there is a missunderstanding.
    We are not working on an "Overdrive" VI at the moment.

    best
    Herb


    Sorry, guys. [*-)]