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  • Buffer noise at each sequenzer stop

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    Hello, I have some peculiar noise problem with VI SE on my PC.
    Whenever I stop playback of my arrangement, I hear some terriffic noise when the last soundsamples in buffer seem to be looped for one or more seconds (that kind of specific sound you might know from analoque modems at the end of the handshake).
    There are two consecutive buffer sounds at each stop which clearly consist of the sound material right under the timeline cursor.
    Pitch and lenght of the sounds are relative to ASIO buffer size; the smaller the buffer (128 samples will do for simple arrangements) the higher but shorter the noise is (louder in appearance), the bigger (e.g. 1024 samples) they are the deeper but longer it goes. Input for the application is blocked during this noise.
    There also seems to be a connection to how many instances of VI SE are loaded - rather annoying from 6 instances on upwards - still conceivable (but humble) with only 1 instance.
    There is no problem as long as you don't stop the music (no, please don't cite that song...), loops are OK.
    I am using Samplitude 9.1.1 Pro - I also tried my old Cubase VST 5 Score which shows the same behaviour with VI.
    I have no probs with other ASIO plugin instruments (IK sampletank SE, MAGIX plugs) so it should be either VI or it's incompatibility to the soundcard ASIO drivers (two Terratec EWM88MT, interlinked, latest driver).
    System is Dell Dualcore (Intel 820) with 2 GB RAM, 500GB HDD.
    Any suggestions? I quite don't like to mute my amplifier each time I stop for editing...
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    Hello - what has happend to my support request?

    Last update mail by Christian Marin was 04.09.2007.

    Meanwhile I sent two eMails to him and support@vls.co.at on 20.09. and 25.09. - no response anymore.....

    Could please someone from support team give me a clue - when can I expect to hear about my problem again and what has happend to my EWS88MT sounddevice I sent for testing purposes?

    Still can't use VSL Instrument for proper projects!
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    Have you tried switching off "Reset on Stop"?

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    @DG said:

    Have you tried switching off "Reset on Stop"?

    Although within the past correspondence with Christian he tracked the problem down to something like a "Reset on Stop Signal", there has been no request to disable it yet.

    But nevertheless: How could this be done? Is there an editable option within Samplitude's settings or some hidden registry key where "Reset on Stop" could be suppressed?

    Kind regards, Carsten
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    In Cubase/ Nuendo it is in Preferences. I have no idea about Samplitude. Perhaps try support there?

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    @DG said:

    In Cubase/ Nuendo it is in Preferences. I have no idea about Samplitude. Perhaps try support there?

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    Thank you DG for advice - hoped there could be a new idea.

    Magix Samplitude support and VSL support met for discussion about this topic in August and exchanged products for testing. Christian Marin found out the problem is not only Samplitude but also Sibelius related - and combination with soundcard is probably an additional issue. He supplied me a beta VI DLL which was said to have fixed the problem with a Delta 1010 card - still it't wouldn't do with my Terratec EWS88MT's.

    That's why I sent one of my EWS88MT cards to VSL support for further testing on August 31 as requested by Christian.

    Sadly that's the point where informations ceased for me, so what I have today is: 

    1. A VSL Special Edition that's not useable since I bought it in the end of May because it misbehaves unlike my other virtual instruments from other vendors.
    2. No information for one month by now on how the solution is investigated or if I should undo my purchase of VSL SE.
    3. One EWS88MT missing with no information when it will be returned to me by VSL support.

    I grieve.
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    my apologies carsten, we has been very busy here during the last weeks and i missed to keep you up to date.

    whereas the noise is less significant in an updated version it did not disappear completely and we are waiting for a new compile within the next few days to duoble check.

    i could send you back the device any time, but would be happy to continue, because in your case (and only with the MT88) the behavior also showed up with cubase.

     

    i am still under the impression it is related to the method the magix programs are handling the ASIO output, the more it is irritating with cubase and the MT88

     

    i'll reply in an email later today, christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Hi guys, I wanted to add that I have used Sonar6 Pro with the Delta card running ASIO drivers and had exactly the same problem. Then I switched to WDM/KS and that fixed it. I recently replaced the Delta1010 with an RME FireFace800. Now I have the same problem as before, the same one you describe when I run the RME with ASIO drivers. Problem is that the WDM drivers of the FireFace800 don't get along with Sonar, it cause a very ugly distortion. So, I have to use the ASIO drivers and can't get away from this problem. I will try to disable "Reset on Stop" which I have not tried and see what happens. Keep you posted if you want me to. Thanks, David
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    What could I expect of the announced "Vienna Ensemble" engine?

    Since the (old) VI itself adid not show any problem when addressed via virtual MIDI-channel as a stand-alone application (i.e. not as a plugin) - monophonic setup of course - could (new) Vienna Ensemble be adressed this way as well and handle the soundcard outside the DAW?

    Should I take part in a beta testing to find out?
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    If I am really straightforward - I am disappointed.

    There are some promises (to write me a mail, to test a new compile, to use the EWS88MT I sent for my solution etc.), alas I don't get anything I can count on, not even a date to wait for news.

    Obviously VSL support is much too busy to answer mails - or questions in this forum.

    OK, mine is just one problems among many, and among new products waiting to be finished.......

    I grieve.
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    I'm updating my situation. I upgraded to WinXP64 Pro SP2 because of the coming 64-bit VI. I run Sonar 6 Pro 64 with the RME FireFace800 64-bit ASIO driver. I have no more stutter effect in this setup. Sweet! David
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    My final update for this thread:

    New "Vienna Ensemble" (VE) is solving the problem. Operation as plugin as well as standalone removes all issues know from the old plugin VI solo engine.

    And, of course, it's really more comfortable now.

    As I heared "through the grapevine", a retrofit of the new engine into the VI solo plugin is planned for some later build. That's OK, still I wonder if there will be any need for me since VE has no striking negative side effect for my kind of usage.

    Issue closed from my personal point of view. [:)]