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  • Unversal Mode in VI Special Edition

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    Just got my copy of Vi Special Edition with the basic and expanded library. In my matrix presets I see the L2 presets but don't find any of the Universal presets. Just curious as to what I may be missing. Was looking forward to seeing how those worked and so far can't seem to find them.

    Thanks in advance.

    Brian Green
    Castelbury Productions
    Nashville, Tn
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    Select Preset Select on the circular menu in the center of the player (at the top of the eye.) That will show the presets available. Double click and they will load.
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    THanks for the reply Dave. I've been looking there. I've got no problem loading presets. In the manual it shows that there should be some of the presets in the L2 heading that will be Universal mode. I don't see those in the preset selections. I wonder if somehow the presets for the extended version didn't get loaded in? It shows that these are only available with the extended library.
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    Sorry I misunderstood your post. Universal mode is a L2 matrix so if you are seeing all your matrixes (including L2) but not the Universal Matrix that would be curious. You can always try deleting all the folders in the directory manager and then dragging them back in from the drive they're on (a fix for a number of ills when things disappear.)

    Does the syncrofsoft License Control Center (LCC) see your extended license?
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    syncrosoft does see my license and I do show the L2 matrices but all of them are keyswitched. None set up for the speed control and nothing that says Unviversal mode.

    For example under my preset select I show the Preset for chamber strings Labled SE02 Preset Chamber Strings L2. When I load that it loads all of the Chamber string patches but again they are all keyswitched and no Universal. Under the patch assign I show all the articulations with a L2 but again no Universal patches and nothing but keyswitch setups. I show no repetition patches. Surely I'm missing some presets here.

    I have all of the VI SE on it's own hard disk. When I look at the hard disk directly all I see are the install .dat files. A total of 113 files. I assume the preset info is contained within those Dat files.

    I'm working on a project while I'm trying to get this set up. Never very productive way to go. But I appreciate your input and welcome anyone else to chime in as well.

    Thanks,

    Brian
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    There is no Universal Mode in any Special Edition instrument available.
    The Universal mode needs articulations which are not part of the Special Edition Standard and Extended instruments.

    best
    Herb
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    Thank for the clearification Herb. I have to say this is dissapointing as that was the feature that caused me to be so excited about the product. I'm sure I just missed the clarification about the special edition but all of the videos that are linked to the product and even ones that are shipped with the product speak of this Univeral setup and no where did I see that it only pertained to a specific library. I am a long time fan of VSL and will continue to be but this is a bit of a surprise. I realize that even so the Special Edition is still a good value and I'm sure I will put it to good use but still am dissapointed.

    Respectfully,

    Brian Green
    Castlebury Productions
    Nashville, TN
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    Sorry I don't have SE but several (5) of the collections (all with ext.) I thought you were looking for something that comes with it. In any case SE is an astonishing value. You will have instruments from numerous collections that I still don't have after spending many thousands of dollars.
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    Dave.. You are right. I have several of the Horizon series for GIGa and so was aware of the value. I was just so intrigued with the way the Unversal Mode worked that I was excited to get my hands on it. I am impressed with the GUI and the amount of control that you have so I think once I get a chance to dig into that a bit more I'll deal with the lack of that mode. I may end up at some point getting into that through the Appasionate Strings or one of the other offerings. All it takes is money.

    Thanks for your input!

    Brian Green
    Castlebury Productions
    Nashville, TN
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    I also have the Special Edition and was very interested in checking out some Universal Mode Patches. I am a new user of this library so I apologize for the fundamental question.

    If I only wanted to purchase an individual library containing Universal Mode Patches, like Orchestral Strings for example, would I be entitled to a discount as the owner of the Special Edition. If so, which library would be the right one for that?

    TIA
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    I am glad this was brought up. I was 90% ready to get SE for the very reason if speeding up composing with automatic switching. Without that I can achieve the same results with more K2 and Banks. Here's to hoping SE will be expanded on!
    Chris
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    For you that don't have access to the Universal Mode presets, don't think you are missing out on the holy grail. It's nothing but a preset that you could make yourself if you have all the articulations needed - which you don't as you only own this smaller SE version of the complete library. But that doesn't mean you can't make your own presets to fit your needs, and you will be able to load them up whenever you need them to start composing quickly.
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    Ah, so does the SE player still have speed detection? Sure there would be less articulations, but I could still get a switch between sus/legato/stac.
    Thanks,
    Chris
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    VSL Team
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    Hi,

    the Special Edition gives you the exact same player as all the other collections.

    No problem to set up speed as a controller betwenn different articulations [:)]

    Best,

    Paul
    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    Since I started this thread I feel like I should give my input after having used SE for a few weeks now. I have been very pleased and have no regrets at all about the purchase. I think I put too much expectation on the Universal mode based on the demos on the site so when I didn't see it in the SE version I was dissapointed. I have to say that the implementation and playability of the engine is really amazing. I have several of these samples in Giga format and find it much easier to work in the SE inviroment. Much more playable and the legato patches are really amazing. I find that I am using combinations of both platforms but when I need to really have control over the patch I'm going to the SE version fairly consistantly. Great Work Herb!

    Thanks!
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    Fantastic news! Sounds like this is a winner!
    Thanks Paul and Brian
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    On their web page VSL has a link on the page of the Secial Edition.
    http://vsl.co.at/en-us/211/412/293.vsl
    This button is called "take a tour".
    If you press it, it explains everything about this new library.
    This includes performance detection "interval detection" on page 6 and Speed detection and repetition detection on page 7.
    All pages are labled with Vienna Special Edition.

    Do you want to tell me that this is actually not the case?

    Because if this is so, then they will have lots of problems with people suing them.
    [:(]
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    VSL Team
    PaulP
    Hello and welcome irrlicht,

    it´s very kind of you to worry about our legal status [;)], but there´s no reason....

    All the mentioned features are implemented, you get exactly the same functionality of the Vienna Instruments as with the bigger collections. Of course there are less samples available, but the "musical intelligence" regarding the interval and repetition detection is always available [:)]

    Best,

    Paul
    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    Thats good.
    But what does Universal Mode then mean that Castlebury was missing?

    I thought these are the features I mentioned.

    Not?
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    Now that I understand it, I can probably answer it.

    The Universal Mode was actually a pre-made patch using a large number of articulations with all the nuances covered. The lack of articulations means there are no pre-made patches like this in SE, but there are enough that you can create your own variation instead. The player and features of said player are the same from SE to the full library. The only difference is the # of articulations & dynamic layers.

    Chris