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  • how get the bass?

    in the vsl demos there is a fantastic "wumm" in the bass. especially your pizzicato in the doblebass is super. when i use the vsl and want to mix the same bass via eq's and so on i don't get the same bass. my bass is more exaggerated than realistic [:(]

    so, vsl team, how comes the bass in your mixes?! please help me a bit!

    thanks
    sebastian

  • Could you point me to a specific example, please? I hardly do spectacular processing in the low end, and I'm sure that many of the "usual suspects" [;)] amongst the contributors to our demo-section would say the same.

    Personally, I'm convinced that "good" bass comes from "proper" arrangements - in the sense that not two or more instruments fight for their place in the same frequency range.

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • okay, here my favorite example:
    the demo with the bass trumpet and the orchestra. i know it is an old piece of vsl music, but really nice.

    when i play a pizz. double bass with my opus 1 it sounds...well...okay. i mean the natural sound of the vsl samples without any treatment.

    in your demo the pizz double bass is enormously and deep but nevertheless very clean.

    how you get this sound? via some mouseclicks or with with a lot of work?

    in generell all the vsl demos have a great bass sound and that is not sampled in the vsl already. so, please betrayed your tricks of making bass! [:D]

  • Hmmm ... I have to admit that can't really remember what I did _exactly_ while mixing this piece, but I'm absolutely sure that I didn't try to "sweeten" the actual sound of the instruments too much; this is true for all "official" demos, BTW, as our aim with these pieces is to show the possibilities of the library as honest and "pure" as possible. (... opposed to the numerous contributions of classical or original music from users or team-members of the VSL on our Demo-site, where "anything goes", and everybody sticks to the old saying "If it sounds right it is right".)

    Listening to the piece you mentioned again ("Bass trumpet and orchestra" by Herb Tucmandl -> http://vsl.co.at/en-us/67/3959/4715.vsl# ) I would say that much of the beautiful deep low end comes from the soft Bass Drum-hits which add to the Pizzicati of the Double Basses. I seem to remember that the reverb was a mixture of convolution and synthetic reverb from the t.c.electronic System 6000, so this may give you a special feeling of depth, too.

    Another thought: Most of the time, I don't _add_ energy in certain frequency ranges; instead, I _cut_ those few small resonances which tend to obscure the overall clarity of the sonic impression. Maybe this is what you like to hear - less "mud", so to say ... [:)] .... But as much I would like to, I can't give you detailed information on this, simply because I always decide from case to case what to do, and how to do it. I don't rely on a fixed set of rules or presets.

    HTH,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Great piece, never heard it before.

    And, despite that the really deep bass is not the doublebasses but the Gran Cassa it *is* a great mix.

  • thanks for the great try to help me. in fact the bass drum should be a reason of the beautiful bass.

    by the way, is there on the vsl site or in the forum maybe a thread or tutorial about getting "deepness" in an orchestral mix, especially about the bass treatment?

    thanks again
    sebastian