@KingIdiot said:

Lastly, as more options like logic's "freeze" show up, performance will stop being realtime. I mean NO ONE works on 100 MIDI channels all at once. You may have 100+ MIDI channels going, but you never work on every one at the same time. Its physically impossible.
Anyhow,...point is... Its going to be about whether its worth it at time of release, not whether its worth it "right now", and time of release of course does mean what they know is appearing in the very near future. Whether its custom software or through relationships with other companies.

King,

I think this abolutely makes sense, but Logic can only frezze audio tracks and audio instruments but NOT MIDI tracks. These have to be bounced to audio first.

Iwan

I kept reading that it would freeze VSTi instruments.

if its only audio tracks then thats crap!!!!! Everyone's been telling me it would freeze MIDI tracks. Goes to show you that I cant believe what everyone says, and I NEED TO SEE IT FOR MYSELF, yet again

Anyhow, I still believe that this type of route is being looked at by people. I've been bugging the guys at nemesys on and off for a "render" option.

I'd imagine that with VSTi's I'd be able to write keyboard shortcuts that would render all but whatever track I'm working on off line, while I get coffee. And short cues can be rendered and replaced via cue points, so it wouldn't mean coffee, maybe a rub of the eyes.

I just haven't gotten into an orchestral VSTi solution yet, because there aren't any options for me (EXS isn't since I dont use Logic)

Kontakt looks good, and with QLSO I'll be able to put my noggin banging to the test.

damn these inconvenieces... I mean I'm trying to write music here, who cares if I dont have to pay for one musician, or hear them fart (smell?).... was that sarcasm....who me? NEVER!! [;)]

@KingIdiot said:

I kept reading that it would freeze VSTi instruments.

if its only audio tracks then thats crap!!!!! Everyone's been telling me it would freeze MIDI tracks. Goes to show you that I cant believe what everyone says, and I NEED TO SEE IT FOR MYSELF, yet again

King,
it does freeze VST instruments (in Logic called Audioinstruments), but not MIDI tracks. Believe me, I do have Logic 6 right in front on my monitor right now, and there is no frezee option for MIDI tracks! Also if you do use Logic 6 on OS X. you will have have no VST support at all!!!!!No Waves, no Altiverb etc...

Strange, No?

Iwan

oh wait...

it does freeze EXS? Well thats MIDI. Or am I misunderstanding something?

External stuff liek Gigastudio is impossible, unless its gigastudio that does the "freezing" and for that to happen it would have to be more incoorporated to the software.

@Another User said:

Also if you do use Logic 6 on OS X. you will have have no VST support at all!!!!!No Waves, no Altiverb etc...

Both Altiverb and Waves will be supported in audio-unit format and thus will work in OS X with Logic. Altiverb is scheduled for next month. I don't know the schedule for Waves, but have seen a press release that they are committed to support this format.

Audio-units is a new plug-in format in OS X that is more capable than VST. Emagic has taken the position to only support audio-units in OS X to enhance that format's chances for success. They still support VST in OS 9 so that as the migration to audio-units happens people can maintain compatibility with existing plug-ins.

You can read more about OS X and audio units from Emagic here:
http://www.emagic.de/support/osx/index.php?lang=EN

@KingIdiot said:

oh wait...

it does freeze EXS? Well thats MIDI. Or am I misunderstanding something?

External stuff liek Gigastudio is impossible, unless its gigastudio that does the "freezing" and for that to happen it would have to be more incoorporated to the software.

King,

Hmm, Do not ask me to much......But in Logic their are so called MIDI tracks, which you can not freeze and their are so called Audio Instruments tracks (ESX24/ ES1/EVP88, etc...), and audio tracks, which can be freezed.

Iwan

@Another User said:

The current release version of Altiverb does not yet run in OS X. We hope to put new versions out within two months

I did receive this Email message from Audioease two weeks ago, so I hope it is your info which is rigth!

Iwan

Logic's 'freeze' does work with EXS. but it does not free up the RAM demands of that EXS instruments - those remain until a different instrument is instantiated, which can't be done to a frozen track. in that respect, it does not provide a great deal of help for VSL/EXS use.

cheers

bah crap!

[:)]

@Another User said:

The current release version of Altiverb does not yet run in OS X. We hope to put new versions out within two months

I did receive this Email message from Audioease two weeks ago, so I hope it is your info which is right!

I was trying to be optimistic about the Altiverb schedule. But quite frankly, I've been hearing the "within two months" story since last November. So it seems they haven't made any progress since then if that is what they are telling you.

Haven't they just put up online that it's due in July?
I thought i saw a graphic on the home page...

Peter

Haven't they just put up online that it's due in July?
I thought i saw a graphic on the home page...

Peter

I think the graphic your referering to, topcomposer, is the one stating that the 2.0 version was released last July. I received an email from them a few weeks ago stating that they were waiting for the results of beta testing to determine a release date.

I spent a good deal of money last month buying a new G4 with the sole purpose of using it with Altiverb. I found out the hard way that new G4s will only run OS X. I tried every trick I could think of, but there seems to be somthing, perhaps in the firmware, that is able to prevent boot-up from a valid OS 9 system disc (CD or hard drive.) So I have an expensive paper weight with an apple logo on it now.

I write this as a warning to others out there. There were no clear warnings from the Apple vendor about this, nor was it very obvious on the audio ease site that Altiverb did not support OS X. Several audio engineer friends of mine were planning to buy a new G4 soon, but they are steering clear now.

oh,

[:O]ops:

my bad... - sorry also for the double post.

Peter [:)]